I presume their parents are epidemiologists? Or immunologists?
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They are smart people, multiple Masters degrees and a PhD.
A person doesnât have to be a biologist to know what a woman is, and the idea that only a specialist in an area can make a reasonable decision is very inappropriate.
That elitist attitude only alienates people. The fact that the father of three of the grandchildren had a very bad reaction to the vaccine did not help make him want to jab his children.
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Yes, parents are responsible for their children.
I would not ask parents to turn over control of their children to the state without due process and the order of a judge. We donât live in China, praise God.
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Sorry. Are they statisticians? Merely saying they are responsible does not make their choices any less irresponsible.
Actually, oneâs Masters thesis was on medical data analysis.
Again, this claim that only a specialist can make decisions for his own children is inappropriate.
Raising the bar does not bolster an argument.
That makes it worse, doesnât it. There are MDs that push quack medicine, so you still have not made your case. At all.
Ok, only the experts with whom you agree arenât quacks?
Dale, I understand your bias, and this will be my last post to you on the topic. Feel free to have the last word.
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No one said that. What is being said is about epistemological choices and choosing irresponsibly.
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Thank you twice. We could talk about herd immunity in Sweden instead, if you like. (My bias⌠thatâs pretty funny â some biases are correct, and yours isnât.)
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Yet, the language âdeterminedâ implies that a rigorous analysis was done adequate to overturn analysis by trained experts and requires expertise. Otherwise it is just a feeling.
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I am sorry you fell that way, and I am sorry that you think you can judge their thoughtful analysis from afar. And I am sorry that you think people with no direct knowledge of my grandchildren are in a better position to evaluate the needs and futures of the grandchildren than the people who birthed them and have lived with them since birth, caring for their needs everyday.
May our country never get to a point that the responsibilities of parents are subjugated to the stateâs whims on debatable matters!
And, like it or not, the decision to vaccinate a healthy 5-year-old for Covid is debatable. It is not like measles.
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I agree that my response was a provocative and am sorry if you were offended. But, a blanket statement that the risk of infection is less that the risk of vaccination requires substantiation in the face of information to the contrary, or else it is just an opinion and empty rhetoric, not a careful determination. Personally, I think the risk is small in either case, but the data supports vaccination as being safer. Most of my grandkids are vaccinated at least once, but I know several who never completed the series. They have also had the infection,and did OK. But, the data still supports benefit from vaccination over not vaccinating regardless of what my children did.
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By the way, I contracted Covid in April on a tour of Columbia. My wife and I spent 6 days in isolation in a hotel in Bogota.
We felt bad for 2 days. We coughed at bedtime for two weeks.
The two years of masks and restrictions were far worse than the disease.
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You know that I made no such statement.
I spoke to the specific decisions of my children, in-laws, and grandchildren. Healthy grandchildren. And a parent whose reaction to the vaccine was very bad. And three grandchildren got half their genetic material from him.
Being provocative is acceptable unless it is based on falsehoods, and I did not make such a blanket statement.
I donât need to be a scientist or have a college degree to determine risk. Just sayingâŚ
What data are you citing?
There are over a million people in the U.S. alone that wish that was true (or would be if they were still alive.) But I know - you attempt to live in an alternate reality that shamlessly pushes lies on you and keeps you misinformed. I thank God for science and vaccines - Iâve had my 2nd booster by now, and will continue to keep myself topped off with whatever the experts tell me is best since they have proven right over and over again while the conspiracy mongers prove to be wrong. Over and over again. As a result of paying attention to relevant expert consensus, I havenât had to worry about much for myself or my family the last couple years - and havenât even had to wear masks all that much either, but when I did so for otherâs sakes it was very little inconvenience, and not the huge âpersecution spectacleâ that some have made it out to be.
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This thread is about children taking the vaccine.
Do you think Covid is worse than the flu for 5-year-old children?
Maybe so, but the risk of Covid to healthy 5-year-olds seems very, very small.
Iâm just saying that, if I had young children of my own, and given the respective track records here between the relevant experts, and what the conspiracists have been saying, I will bet with the experts.
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Any chance taken to avoid MIS-C is a good one. And we are still learning about some of the insidious nature of COVID, even in people that have ârecoveredâ from it. COVID fingers and toes in children is a thing too, exemplary of some of the unexpected side effects of it, and indicative of the benefit of extra precaution, especially since we do not know long term outcomes. Every Joe Blowâs opinion just doesnât cut it.
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