Or using obviously political terms? Interesting question! I would think that the number of ways to do that would correlate strongly with the number of issues that are political and can be talked about without mentioning the fact that they are political, e.g. national medical insurance, guns, corporate power, and so on. The topic of Social Security might be talked about without reference to politics, but it would be tougher since it’s run by the government. When I’m out doing my conservation work I often end up talking about ecology and invasive species, which are politically charged topics but no one actually mentions politics (unless “the government could do better” counts as political).
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This makes it sound as though the government is no better off than anyone of us individually in that regard.
- Obviously methinks. How about this?
“If you want to make America Great Again You Have to Make America Godly Again.”
What say you, politics or non-politics?
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How about this:
If you want to make America (or any nation) great, let the people of God humble themselves and pray for their political leaders
- What’s that “let” stuff? Is somebody stopping you or anybody that you are a guardian of?
A small quibble, but there is very little difference between the “let” and “make”
- Nice try… I have a gay nephew whose partner is gay too; a niece who hasn’t identified herself as atheist/agnostic/theist, a niece-in-law who is an atheist, her husband (my nephew) leans theist, and a good number of other nephews, nieces, and in-laws that are all over the range from atheist to theist, my sister-in-law’s sister is lesbian; my oldest brother’s grandson has a lesbian mother married to a transgender lesbian. I’d like to see you “let” them follow your suggestion.
- You don’t seem to show any evidence of familiarity with Project 2025, Surprise me and say you are.
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May God bless them as well… “may” is a good term, I definitely prefer that to “make”
Nope, and I’m not interested in researching it
Good too know. FYI, there is no making America Great Again without politics, and the Mandate for Project 2025 is Heritage Foundation’s plan to “get it done.”
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Anti-politics.
With politics it is impossible to make America “great again” – that requires the Gospel.
- Psalm 127:1 Unless the LORD builds a house,
They who build it labor in vain;
Unless the LORD guards a city,
The watchman stays awake in vain.
Not your version. You would send 90% of them to Hell.
You preach a divisive Gospel.
At least the USA is united in thinking that the politicians are doing them no good.
Your version of leadership is no better than Hitler. Everyone must believe as you do.
There is a reason why religion and politics do not mix. Their aims are different.
Politics needs to be religion neutral. It has to tolerate all beliefs. It is good if the leader has and abides by a belief system as long as it is not imposed onto the people. Then it becomes oppression as in the Muslim controlled countries.
Richard
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This theme seems to be a new topic in this apologetics thread:
Godliness in exchange for national “greatness.”
In this way, love for God, and devotion to him sounds intentionally transactional. “Quid pro quo,” I think, is the term.
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This may help, then:
Project 2025 - Wikipedia.
When Terry mentioned it, I saw Trump disavowed it, and I have no interest in researching the proposal at this time.
Given that Abraham travelled through both cultures in ancient times (before Moses), i don’t see any conflict there. I am quite happy with the notion that Abraham and Joseph both had a big impact on Egypt…I’m mean lets face it, the Egyptians had no idea how to deal with the oncoming famine and turned to Joseph for advice and leadership on how to deal with it. If such an advanced culture couldn’t deal with a famine, why should it come as a surprise that they may have also got much of their scientific knowledge from Abraham and his lineage? Especially as Abraham came from the Chaldees.
I have already refuted the genre argument…it fails because we have not only a number of Old Testament writers recording the event, however, we also have prominent New Testament writers recoding those same events.
Genre is a fools claim because there are 2,000 years between Moses and the Appostles as well as a completely different language and culture behind the writings of the new testament.
In addition to the above, we have God Himself declaring identical statements about the flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah as Moses and the other apostles have done. Your Genre argument fails the stink test miserably…so there’s that.
Jesus (God) said in Luke 17
26Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28It was the same in the days of Lot: People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But on the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
The Apostle Peter said in 2 Peter 2
5if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight; 6if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction,b reducing them to ashes
The Apostle Paul says in Hebrews 11
4By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous when God gave approval to his gifts. And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead.
5By faith Enoch was taken upa so that he did not see death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”b For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.
7By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in godly fear built an ark to save his family. By faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
- If Paul wrote Hebrews, then he was literate in Greek, but not in Hebrew.
- A reality check is something no Christian should fear.
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'“Therefore, everyone who confesses Me before people, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before people, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword…"’
‘"Do you think that I came to provide peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”’
‘“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it."’
When can the Gospel not be divisive?
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