thats a good point. No, i have not calculated that. I dont know how many animals were in the ark, and how many different species there are today.
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Well, the numbers can be pretty intimidating. Letās say the Ark had 10,000 different pairs of terrestrial creatures:
snails, insects (lots of insects), mammals, lizards, amphibians and so forth.
And the species count for terrestrial creatures is frequently put at above 4 million ā¦ some say 8 million. The big numbers become cumbersome, so I just write 1+ million.
So ā¦ how exactly would 10,000 evolve (if you insist that it is evolution that God is using for a short period of creation) into, say, Two Million new species or kinds?
I have basically not made up my mind in regard of the age of the earth, and how these historical events happened.
I have collected arguments of both sides, but to weight the evidence of one side against the evidence of the other is something i do not see myself able to do it accurately to get a informed conclusion.
Evidence that the earth is Young 1
Old earth evidence
http://www.progressivetheology.org/principles/Science-Bible.html
However, it is not correct to assume that a few thousand species would have produced the millions of species extant (alive) today. There are fewer than 30,000 extant species of mammals, birds, reptiles, and possibly land-reproducing amphibians (many salamanders) that were represented on the Ark. The millions of other species are the invertebrates (>95 percent of all animal species), fish, and a few aquatic mammals and reptiles that survived in the water during the Flood. The processes of speciation discussed above need to only double the number of animal species from 15,000 to 30,000. This is certainly a feasible process based on observable science.
- Your numbers are off.
- Terrestrial species surviving in the water for a year? Not likely. I use the word Terrestrial to Include all the bugs, spiders, worms and everything else that lives on the land (including those species of birds who are not known for being able to fly for a year).
- If you want to understand the science of the Earthās age, you need to access experts in geology, physics and chemistry.
I donāt see how you can āsquat and squintā your way to a convincing conclusion in any other way.
I think Iāll leave you to your own devices. You have some pretty strong opinions for someone who admits he doesnāt know.
i have no opinion in regard of the age of the earth. I want to see the arguments of both sides, to from mine.
There is more than enough information on Youtube for you to do that.
If you are not already convinced about the extreme age of the Earth, then you probably donāt have a mental affinity for scientific procedures and protocols already.
Geologists were the first scientists to scratch their heads and say: there is no way this could happen in 5000 yearsā¦ and this was all before Darwinās book ā¦
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or maybe i have not given priority and spend enough time on the subject ?!
there are a lot of geologists out there that do not agree with the old earth interpretationā¦For instance, the authors of the book : RADIOISOTOPES AND THE AGE OF THE EARTH RESULTS OF A YOUNG-EARTH CREATIONIST RESEARCH INITIATIVE, are all geologistsā¦
What is your definition of āa lotā or of āmanyā, @Otangelo_Grasso1 ?
In a world of 6 billion peopleā¦ is a few thousand a lot? Not really. And yet there were only a few thousand āflat earthā victorians who insisted that the Earth was flat ā¦ because they did not have a rocket to send up to take pictures. But as a young man, if I saw 2000 people supporting anything, I would be wildly impressed.
I think your ālotā of young earth geologists are mostly in America ā¦ and are desperately looking for any way to present the Earth as an object of mystery.
Dissidents of Darwinism
Are you confusing us with some Atheistic group?
This is BioLogosā¦ we include lots of different folks. I suppose there must be darwinist here and thereā¦ but I hope you donāt think we are all following that line. The mission statement of BioLogos says God is involved in evolution.
I donāt believe Darwin had a chapter on that.
Hereās a great article from another threadā¦ discussing how scientists vary from culture to cultureā¦
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2378023116664353
no, i dont. i just linked to the topic to show you that many scientists are YEC.
Like I saidā¦ what is āmanyā?
Go aheadā¦ tell me that most geologists are YECā¦
As I said before, it seems you donāt have much of an affinity for science methodsā¦ or you wouldnāt be looking to a minority to hold to your position/inclinationā¦
i agree on that. But not in the extent of biologos. I do not agree that God used evolution to create life, nor the various body plans, and phyla.
I think this is a very important article to read on this topic:
ok. i added the author and made a FB friend request. I want to know what data it is that let him convinced that the earth is old.
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And the modern Young Earth movement actually comes from the 7th Day Adventist prophetess Ellen White!
I havenāt by any means read all this, but here is a place to start, I think, if youāre interested in further information: