Hi guys,
Thank you for your posts that answer my post #31. I will answer the last first and move upward. Even though I was told by @Marshall that everyone that have been here awhile know the scriptures I ask for, no one yet gave them to me per request. At least I know my point came across. OK. I’ll give it as a reminder to what you already know. It’s Leviticus 19:36 and Proverbs 20:23. This is only one of countless examples by which we know that God rules in the affairs of men–for our safety. What would we think if someone tries to convince us that today’s science somehow obsoleted these scriptures?
@Relates
What I said was theology must not dictate to science and science must not dictate to theology. Each has a place and both are needed. The Bible or theology tells us to tell the truth and truth telling or accuracy is necessary for science, However one need not be a Christian to tell the truth or to be a scientist.
You need to learn the difference between truth and falsehood so you don’t spread lies on the internet.
Of course one need not be a Christian to tell the truth. Of course the field of science and Biblical theology need not rudely dictate to each other!. The conscience is voluntarily guided by truth from both working in harmony. Don’t we have discernment to know truth from falsehoods that we not be taken by falsehoods? Aren’t we aware of the correct standard for the truth we abide by?
A person is a Christian only because he obeyed the Christian gospel. But the word of God is for all individuals regardless who or what he calls himself. He that obeys benefits and he that does not obey is at his own disadvantage.
@Sealkin
The two main reason why I don’t believe in a worldwide flood is if that was so then why don’t we find a certain layer of soil and rock which shows a great violent event with a large majority of human bones all over the place? We don’t and YEC fails to give an answer to my knowledge. Its also the same reason why I refuse to belive that dinosaurs lived along with humans cause if that was so then we should find dinosaur bones at a equal level of soil with human and animal bones but we don’t.
Fossil graveyards are massive and are found almost every where. Why are millions of clams found with their shells shut even though their shells open when they die naturally? How was it possible for an Ichthyosaur to be found fossilized in the act of giving birth to its young? How did fish end up fossilized in the act of engulfing another for their meals? Why do fossils including archaeopteryx tend to be found in positions as if they came to rest after they were violently tossed? Don’t these give the impression of a massive, sudden catastrophe? Raging water is powerful! Why are there flood legends found in cultures around the world? I’m speaking what I was told by scientists.
As for dinosaurs living with humans, where did American Indians get the idea of a Thunderbird? Why did Indians as well as people of ancient cultures around the world leave drawings of creatures that resemble dinosaurs beside other familiar animals? Why do dragons have basically the same reptilian appearance regardless the part of the world where they are spoken of?
As for people mingled with dinosaurs in their graves, these links should be helpful.
@Jammycakes
Absolutely! But to determine the ages of rock strata, measurements are also required, and those measurements too are based on the exact same standards. Accordingly, evidence for a young earth must meet those standards as well.
Unfortunately, I am yet to see a single young earth argument that comes anywhere close.
But is forensic determination of past events easy even with properly calibrated instruments? Does proper calibration eliminate countless possible unknown conditions that may have affected the reliability of readings of the samples through the ages? Can it eliminate limitations of the instruments and possible variables characteristic of the measurements themselves? What about possible human error?
@Bill_II
Answer to: @Ecerotops If you find info that proves contrary to your claim, would you believe it?
The early geologists were looking for proof of Noah’s flood. They were Christians and believed the Flood to be real. The problem they faced was they could find no evidence and kept finding evidence that the world was much older than 6,000 years. This is also pre-Darwin so they weren’t trying to support evolution.
Let’s not forget that God has the power of the spoken word by which things may come to past quickly. Accordingly, was even the six days needed? Have the early geologists been in the past to observe? Please go back to my answer to @Sealkin.
@Bill_II
Scientists actually have no problem accepting real evidence that goes against their claim. It is how science has worked for a very long time.
But I ask if you would personally.
@Bill_II
I love how the YEC folk love to quote mine. The article you linked started with a partial quote from J.E O’Rourke which sounds like it supports the article. That is until you take the time to go to the source of the quote to see what was really said. In this case the full quote should have been: …
What was quoted that’s yours?
@Bill_ll Ecerotops care to comment?
Whether circular reasoning was used or not and regardless how well the stratigraphy may have been carried out, what gave Lyell the authority to add to scriptures? Doesn’t scripture warn us against such? What do we do with Isaiah 28:9-10? Is it not scripture that interprets scripture?
For you, @Pevaquark:
To answer my question, “How do you know that the global flood had no explanatory power to account for the earth’s geology?”, you said,
@Pevaquark
Because I’m familiar with things like plate tectonics and their rates of motion (present and historical), things like paleomagnetic strips, or geological strata or the fossil record, etc.
But were you or anyone there to observe for yourself whether or not there was really a flood? Are you making any assumptions?
Finally, I ask all of you again:
If you find scientifically derived info that to your satisfaction proves contrary to your claim, would you believe it?
But this time I want a decisive point blank yes or no answer. No explanations please. just the answer.
Earl