How do you help develop a better relationship with your congregation

This is a great idea! I try to prioritize this, and it certainly has blessed me with like-minded fellowship, although this year, and with having young kids in general, it can be very difficult to be more than rarely involved. Sharing our interests with each other usually has a lot of potential to bring people together, yet when these things that we have experience in and enjoy are brought up in church, like @SkovandOfMitaze connecting via his knowledge and insight to the natural world and myself attempting to connect with small group members via cultural experiences, are met with those crickets! Maybe this is a symptom of areas being compartmentalized into political idea groupings or industrialized church roles, instead of humbly discipling and growing alongside all different members of the Body of Christ?

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Somebody commented that one of Jesus’ lesser known miracles was that of having 12 close friends in his 30s!

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Perhaps you could garner some interest in a discussion group centered on which groups of people are so leperous as to be beyond fellowship or any measure of salvation.

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Yeah, this is tough for me too. I don’t want to be divisive and am more comfortable just listening, usually, but I also don’t want to give someone the false impression that I agree with their misleading or flat-out-false ideas. It’s a difficult balance between pushing someone away and feeling like I’m faking it, and I’m having a harder time faking it lately. I think learning to disagree well is a valuable skill and one I haven’t given myself much chance to develop.

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This would be a very pointed question to ask and one appropriately applied to many discussions about “others.” :slight_smile:

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Logistics and time of life are factors, too. The church I attend is a 45 minute drive (I think for most other members it’s on the order of 15 or less), I’m “elderly” (I’m in my anecdotage, at least, because I can’t remember to whom I’ve told what story :slightly_smiling_face:), and my wife is semi-invalid (we say “semi-inˈvalid” :slightly_smiling_face:).

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Distance wise, we are about the same (45, most people are within 20).

We are toward the younger end of our congregation, though.

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Sometimes you just outgrow your church. It’s very depressing because you’ve spent so much time there, but sometimes it is best to move on.

How do you determine where to move on to?

When the atmosphere become unbearable and you can’t breathe and your brain is screaming.

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I know for me moving on is not the route I’m going to take. Plus, the churches I go to, are all mostly Churches of Christ. I’m happy with everything except a few things but I know of a local church that accepts and teaches evolution as the way god advanced life but doctrinally everything else we are completely different.

Its like Laura said. Perhaps the route is to learn how to disagree better and so that’s what I’m going to look into. I’m not going to try to change their minds and I also know I can’t continue being silent 90% of the time and so I’ll try to find a way to disagree better and perhaps set up a series of classes there for anyone interested and include within it a time for questions at the end of which I’ll respond to in the next class. One of the elders there also believes as I do but is leaving to go to a other congregation in another county.

I am close to them and we do a lot of things together snd there are about 4-6 members out of roughly 200 that are in agreement with me about it. I’m sure something will give snd work.

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Not so much how to, but where to move on to. God’s providence played a role in my last move, eleven years ago when I was looking. I’m sure you’re surprised to hear that. :slightly_smiling_face: (I was invited to a church under false pretenses by a pastor, there was a church split within a year – effectively two different congregations were meeting together as one – he left with his group and I stayed.)

That is a good question. it was easy for me since I live on the East Coast and have plenty of good choices and plenty of diversity. In some areas of the country things are pretty monochrome.

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As our former pastor said “Cleveland County [NC] is 120% Baptist”. Actually, Cleveland and Cherokee Counties (opposite the state line from each other) are probably about 50% conservative Baptist, 20% Independent/Pentecostal-Charismatic, 10% Methodist, 5% other Christian (includes us), and 15% other (nominal or “none”, primarily). That is generally accurate (other places have more Methodist) for rural areas in the Carolinas and adjacent areas, except the majority Scots-Irish ancestry areas, which have a bit more Conservative Presbyterian.

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We just spent Spring Break in Bryson City area. It’s beautiful there. I was surprised to hear there are elk there now, transplanted from TN. We visited the museum and heard how there were lots of Scots-Irish settlers.
My sister and her family are in Greensboro, and I lived in Elizabethton, TN for a year. I enjoyed the area.

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If you have no place to go for the time being, or just want to think things over a bit, why not catch some webcasts from other churches, e.g. the National Cathedral?

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I heard about a Florida pastor who was arrested for taking part in the January 6 insurrection at the White House. A parishioner ratted him out. So I suppose that parishioner might be looking for a new church…

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‘Christian’ nationalism is an abomination. It looks like the church will be looking for a new pastor, and the parishioner for a new church.

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Of course - even speaking of any controversial (or perhaps in some groups celebrated) authors can be the gateway to bringing disagreements to the surface and maybe group members discover some deeper insights about each other.

Speaking of Metaxas, though, whatever has become of him? My first exposure to him was through an interview he did with C.S. Lewis’ secretary Walter Hooper. Knowing nothing else about Metaxas, I was very impressed with how he conducted the interview … and even also found a friendly interview he did with Francis Collins. But that was years ago! More recently I was dismayed to see him completely taken in by some various extremisms - a surprising turn for somebody who used to champion Socratic contemplation and thought. I haven’t tried to follow anything of his recently, but am wondering if he is still mired down in that rabbit hole.

[edited to soften political slant]

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Pretty much. He also had an incident where he allegedly cold cocked a rude protester and ran off leaving his wife. He has a vocal critic in Warren Throckmorton, if you google his blog and search, I am sure you will have a lot to read…

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