Creationist claims are made up, without evidence. Jeanson’s latest book is a case in point.
Scientists reject YEC because they are not ignorant of science. This includes practicing scientists who are Christian.
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Certainly not you.
That would be God.
And you are not His spokesman.
I do not believe in the made up God of the users of religion for power who pretend that God has put a rubber stamp of approval on whatever nonsense they choose to declare.
Because… guess what?
God can speak for Himself!
And He does so in all the evidence He sends us from the Earth and sky.
The clear message is that creationists are liars.
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More and more people want to dispute the Word of God. Many become disciples of their scientists other than denying self and following behind the Lord.
Who is the author and giver of the faith? Scientists?
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I came across this post this morning, and got busy a few minutes, then came back to find so many responses, I have little to say as my sources have already been quoted, (except this one, perhaps:Traced: Human DNA's Big Surprise (2022) by Nathaniel Jeanson has virtually no surprises. — > Herman L Mays Jr PhD / Marshall University )
However, I would like to say that statements like the one quoted, can be very problematic, even though made with good intentions and sincerety. It you make a statement that “such and such proves the Bible is true,” then you have to accept the inverse:" If that is not true, then the Bible is false." Unfortunately, the YEC community and leadership are often seen making similar statements. Of course, it is a false dichotomy, as there are other possible explanations when a statement like that is proven false, the most likely of which is that the Bible was not correctly interpreted in the first place by the person making the statement, and in fact is what you have to assume if you are a Bible believer.
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Then declare science to be anathema and avert you gaze. Nobody is forcing anybody to deal with genetics and fossils and geology. The problem with YEC is that they cannot refrain from making claims concerning science, and then when the errors are pointed out, creationists respond with sanctimonious posturing.
John 3:16 does not feature in scientific discussions. Gene sequencing is performed the same no matter what one’s faith. There are no Christian microscopes different from secular microscopes.
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No. Don’t change the subject and stop tap-dancing. You asked why professional scientists reject creation science.
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It sure isn’t you. You want to conflate Ken Hamism with Christianity, and nobody is buying it.
Sigh. Yet another example of YECs making a song and a dance about every last example of scientific fraud (real or imagined) that they can possibly dig up, blowing it completely out of all proportion, and attaching a significance to it far beyond anything even remotely reasonable. It’s exactly the same as the way they still shout about Piltdown Man and Nebraska Man from the rooftops, seventy and ninety-five years respectively after the fact.
It’s one thing for them to point out occasional mistakes or even occasional acts of misconduct on the part of individual scientists. But in order for them to make a case for a young earth, they would have to demonstrate that the entire scientific community – millions of professional scientists across multiple fields and multiple industries, from undergraduates right through to retirees, from multiple countries, multiple different cultures, multiple different religions and multiple different worldviews, over a period of more than two hundred years – had been consistently and systematically fabricating data in a carefully pre-planned, pre-meditated and pre-orchestrated way in order for them to all up reporting the same wrong results as each other.
If such a thing were actually happening, it would be the mother of all conspiracies. NASA faking the moon landings, 9/11 being an inside job, chemtrails, aliens in Area 51, and the US Navy covering up the existence of mermaids would be child’s play by comparison. Conspiracies on that scale simply do not happen. Period.
I’m sorry but a statement such as that is just outright rank hypocrisy on Nathaniel Jeanson’s part. Before YECs can claim any moral authority whatsoever to hold mainstream scientists to any “standard of science,” they need to start applying at least some reasonable standards to their own research. As it stands, their own “standards of science” are so low that if you applied those same standards to any other area of scientific research, you would kill people.
These are people who, for example, dismiss perfectly reasonable estimates of contamination as “rescuing devices”. Would you buy medicine from a pharmacy that dismissed contamination as a “rescuing device”? I rather think not.
And don’t get me started on the way that some of them even go so far as to openly insist that the Bible’s own demands for accurate and honest weights and measures do not apply to them.
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After becoming born again, were the disciples in unity because of science or because they were of the faith?
They were in unity because of faith, of course. But they weren’t trying to challenge science, so that is a moot point.
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Because people use their human faith to try and explain the science behind the miracles of God, people question on who is God. Apostasy is a departure from the faith and denying the power of God.
Irrelevant to this discussion.
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Stop conflating yourself and your opinions with the Christian faith. Everyone can see right through you.
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If you have an hour and want to understand the implications of what Jeanson is claiming, here’s a video Joel Duff made.
Intro to what it’s about:
The book “Traced” by Dr. Jeanson claims to trace all human ancestry within the confines of a young-earth chronology. He does so by re-interpreting Y-chromosome haplogroup ancestry through changing the root of the tree and applying a much faster mutation rate. Both of those decisions are problematic and therefore effect his primary conclusions. However, in this video I am going to examine the consequences of his reassessment of Y-chromosome history assuming he is correct about the faster mutation rate.
Granting that a faster mutation rate manages, with some additional speculation about higher rates in sub-Saharan African lineages, to squeeze all of the Y-chromosome genetic diversity into the required space of 4500 years, what if more genetically diverse lineages of humans were included? That would be a big problem. And more divergent DNA sequences do exist and could have been included in Dr. Jeanson’s book. Dr. Jeanson cannot say he has traced all humans back to the three sons of Noah if he hasn’t accommodate the genetic data from Neanderthals and Denisovans which most young-earth creationists have concluded are also descendants of the three sons of Noah.
Not only would the inclusion of these “humans’ in Jeanson’s ancestry have undermined many of his conclusions but a comparison of Y-chromosome structure and primary DNA sequences among all the great apes shows that Dr. Jeanson’s conclusions are in contradiction with the conclusions of the organization he works for with respect to the ancestry of the ape “kind.”
Love that link. And this one
I already posted this video
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Oh, way to beat me to it , good job! I didn’t have time to read through all the nonsense.
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After being born again, did the disciples start to lie about science?
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Why do you ask questions of us but refuse to answer questions yourself?