Continuing on from another topic:
I have been grappling with this myself just this a.m. and would value some input!
Last night I clicked on a YouTube suggestion, Tim Mackie talking about heaven and earth, the New Creation and hell : https://youtu.be/ykH8E9wTCcQ
He frames hell as synonymous with sin in the present, which feels a bit awkward, but whatevs, it’s just a word. And, he says, in the future/eternal sense, referring to Rev 22:15, that sinners will be excluded from New Creation, and this is all hell is, eternally.
Is that the kind of understanding you’re comfortable with, @Mervin_Bitikofer ?
It’s attractive to me. It means sinners suffer eternally at their own hands, not God’s.
But I thought I’d better check that for wishful thinking. I picked up Grudem, Bible Doctrine (abridgement of Systematic Theology). He lists a number of verses that talk about punishment or torment, but actually it’s not clear to me all of them indicate this is done by God’s agency. But these two would seem to:
Matthew 25:41: “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels!’”
Revelation 14:9-11 speaks of drinking of God’s anger and wrath and being subject to eternal torment.
I wonder, how can these be reconciled with the position that God does not actively inflict eternal suffering on the wicked?
(Please don’t take this as argumentative! I really am still trying to find my way on this topic.)