Does / can God lie?

Nothing then. No science. Just cognitive bias and fallacies, a.k.a. ‘faith’.

I wouldn’t advocate it. I don’t think many would agree with you on that.

If that’s what you believe then I think the moderator can help you with that. I’m afraid I don’t have time at present

Thanks

That’s their bias. It’s not a matter of consensus, except rational, scientific. Such disinterestedly, objectively educated people are in a small minority obviously. Luckily those who have extreme polar opposites operating in their disordered heads, like Myers, Margulis, Hoyle are in a yet smaller. Although they are chosen by some of the ignorant masses with conspiracist ideation.

Oh! I see.

Thanks for your input.

Any time me old soup tureen. Any time.

Up The Hammers!

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Down on the Foxes : ( it’s going to be a lean year.

I lived in Leicester for over 30 years. Worked for Inter-Varsity Press on De Montfort Street. Up North now near Preston. :slight_smile:

IVP’s in Leicester?! So it is. I were at Lancaster '72-5 The Forest of Bowland is one of Britain’s best kept secrets, along with the A50. But one ektuelly hails from Leammers. Bin Leicester 12 years. Of bin ravished by Linda on Preston Docks.

IVP was in Leicester. Now mostly out of London since being taken over by SPCK.

The forest of Bowland is one of Britains best kept secrets< Too right (don’t tell anyone) and the forest of Bowland begins on my doorstep at the top of Higher Road, Longridge.

We go to Lancaster every other week.

Ahh! lovely Linda… the age of Steam!

Small world.

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Got you Phil. I didn’t notice it before.

All is well.

Both these quotes refer to non-divine agency, and to Creation taking place over time. Neither erases God’s agency.<

I agree. But I don’t think that is the point of greatest concern for many.

Thanks for the verse.

…With the guards of Magog, swarming around
The Pied Piper takes his children underground
Dragons coming out of the sea
Shimmering silver head of wisdom looking at me
He brings down the fire from the skies
You can tell he’s doing well by the look in human eyes
Better not compromise, it won’t be easy

666 is no longer alone
He’s getting out the marrow in your backbone
And the seven trumpets blowing sweet rock and roll
Gonna blow right down inside your soul
Pythagoras with the looking glass reflects the full moon
In blood, he’s writing the lyrics of a brand-new tune

And it’s hey babe, with your guardian eyes so blue
Hey my baby, don’t you know our love is true?
I’ve been so far from here, far from your loving arms
Now I’m back again
And babe, it’s gonna work out fine

Can’t you feel our souls ignite?
Shedding ever-changing colours
In the darkness of the fading night
Like the river joins the ocean
As the germ in a seed grows
We have finally been freed to get back home

There’s an angel standing in the sun
And he’s crying with a loud voice
“This is the supper of the mighty one”
Lord of Lords, King of Kings
Has returned to lead his children home
To take them to the new Jerusalem

Genesis
Suppers Ready

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Will have to give that a spin. I like 70s prog but never dug back into 70s Genesis, having grown up with the 80s incarnation and not been a fan.

Me? I’m just a lawnmower, you can tell me by the way I walk.

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The 70’s albums with Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett were the heyday. Rather more arty. Well worth a visit but a matter of personal taste obviously.

Interesting how they later evolved…

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Selling England by the Pound. Firth of Fifth on that album too which is a classic.

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Klax- Here is a facebook thread I you might find of interest.

https://www.facebook.com/PhilosSophiaInitiative?mc_cid=b3b56f6ecd&mc_eid=0b36ad05ed

I have just sent off for ‘The end of quantum reality’ video, so I can’t comment on that at present. I’m just hoping I understand it.

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This is terrible @eyeillustration, not the link, which is of course, but our becoming friends as I have with others here despite utterly different Weltanschauungen. I mean, how is one supposed to engage in polarized rhetoric verging on the ad hominem?

So that’s what happened to Citizen Wolfie Smith?! Sad. Denial of meaninglessness is certainly emotionally satisfying if one can sustain it. But I’d rather create meaning by working on my relationships. As Jesus would want. And achieving perfect edges in my decorating. With walks up the hill and down the river in this bizarre miserable blocked high pressure weather.

This is terrible @eyeillustration, not the link, which is of course, but our becoming friends as I have with others here despite utterly different Weltanschauungen.<

I guess we can only refine our own worldview perspectives by holding those of others up to the light and examining them. I am always open to considering something I have not as yet come across. It is quite rare that someone completely overturns their own world view but it does happen.

Denial of meaninglessness is certainly emotionally satisfying if one can sustain it. But I’d rather create meaning by working on my relationships. As Jesus would want. And achieving perfect edges in my decorating.<

No reason why these can’t go together. I am in the midst of decorating too, and cutting in under the new coving is a real pain especially when the house is over 120 years old. There isn’t a straight edge to be found. But that is life isn’t it. Trying to square the circle.

PS: As old Wolfie would say- ‘Power to the people’! :slight_smile:

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If/since God’s purpose in creating was to increase his joy in relationships, no denial is necessary. Meaning is implicit.
 

Do I hear an echo? :slightly_smiling_face: Meaning is implicit, no denial is necessary. Denial of relationship with God is where meaninglessness arises.

“Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.” -Colossians 4:6

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