I haven’t found the right page yet, I will let you know when I do.
Why do you ask when you know the answer is to the contrary Brian? And where do you get your dates from? The Exodus and Conquest, using Biblical chronology, date from 1446 and 1406 BCE. 400 years before the mythical David. And what does any of this have to do with Christianity?
And not all of Arabia is desert. It contains mountains and rivers. People have been living there for thousands of years so there must be some sources of fresh water.
Not being an anthropologist I have no idea. My point was simply that you can’t argue “oh they couldn’t have done that” when in fact they might have.
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Are you absolutely sure of this number? Consider the deserts of the world. And what about the vast area of the high plains in the U.S.? Clay soils would not have eroded from the wind, and that’s what happened in the Dust Bowl years. Glaciers deposited our richest soils.
And I can’t argue that they didn’t have cell phones.
Hey I found it on the internet so it must be true.
Yes you can because we have a hard and fast date for when cell phones first appeared. Unlike making pottery which has been around a very long time.
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We can’t be sure, right?
Now you are just being silly.
Have you thought of checking that number with a librarian? Jesus said you can’t trust everything you read on the internet.
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Yes, pottery has been around a very long time. And how do we know that? (Go ahead and use the e-word.)
Thanks for watching the video…you are probably the only one who did. Certainly the David stories were probably embellished, but this wouldn’t make David non-historical. There were plenty of dubious stories about George Washington.
And some of the David stories were so unflattering they were unlikely to have been made up, since David was revered.
Oh yes. Mosaic 3:23 Oh ye of little faith trust not to your Internet understanding.
Yes we have evidence so the lack of evidence argument doesn’t apply. This in no way contradicts the lack of evidence argument.
Jericho was not burned. And it hasn’t been eroded away.
It has been excavated by various parties going back over 100 years.
Jericho is the one of the world’s oldest cities. Archaeologists have uncovered the remains of more than twenty successive settlements in Jericho dating to roughly 9000 BCE, close to the beginning of the Holocene epoch.12 The site experienced many destructions and reconstructions, sometimes due to warfare, but more often resulting from earthquakes.
So maybe the Inuit, the Apaches, and even the Neandertals made pottery.
btw, when is somebody going to show us the pottery styles the Hebrews developed in the wilderness?
Agreed. The video was excellent and I enjoyed it as Cargill is an excellent teacher. Years ago, when I took an elective in history, (which I really love reading!) from my intense studies in Science (in a one of Canada’s best Universities), I had a course from a professor who had done their PhD under the famed Near East Expert Dr. Spicer of U of Penn. Cargill reminds me of her in terms of his knowledge and teaching ability.
We studied Roux and other excellent books on Ancient Iraq, Egypt and other ANE stuff focusing a lot of time on Sumer/Akkad. It is interesting that at the time, one of my papers was on the origin of zero which seems to have arisen in Sumer long before the Mayans and other groups had discovered it. The information had just come to light and was cutting edge stuff.
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Contains, yes, not “is primarily”, which is what you’re after for pottery. “Is primarily clay and rocks” describes the soil anywhere near me, except with the creeks and rivers where there is more sand.
Now I have found the right pages for those citations:
Influx of people: (what we have is a four-fold increase in the number of settlements over ~60 years) and 60 years seems enough to start producing pottery.
Finklestein, 1988-9. Tel Aviv 15-16 117-183
Zertal, 1991. Biblical Archeology Review 17(5) 28-49; 75
are two of those cited.
The layers from 1280-900 BC are gone; there is plenty from before 1400 BC.
Bienkowski, 1986. Jericho in the Late Bronze Age (Warminster: Aris & Phillips, 1986)
is cited as covering the relevant material.
So did the conquest take 60 years? And was it 20-30,000 people coming in?
Bill says the Hebrews started creating pottery in the wilderness without a potter’s wheel. So I wanted to see the new style of pottery the Hebrews introduced.
Archaeology doesn’t support a conquest of Jericho, which was at best barely occupied at the time.
I said it was possible. So if they did or if they didn’t I am right. Never quoted odds on it happening.
My favorite part of the Exodus narrative is when God murders all the first born babies and children in Egypt.
You hit the nail on the head. Thank goodness the evidence clearly shows most of this stuff is not historical. This is all pretty much settled in scholarship today.
It is a shame to me that so many Christians defend such atrocities and genocide. The desire for certainty and a single doctrinal view that mistakes the Bible’s literary genres seems to take priority over the value of human life. It’s a cold and disheartening theology.
Some can’t conceive of this material being non-historical or being in error as written. Yet they can conceive of God murdering tens of millions of babies and children. We might as well defend the Holocaust and chattel slavery from a Christian perspective as well.
Vinnie
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Only most? The total population of Egypt 1446 BCE would have been in the low millions. As in around 2.