You haven’t cited any other source.
Do you really expect people to be convinced by a semi-literate anonymous rant?
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Rationalwiki is interesting and definitely secular, taking a more philosophical naturalist view, but also is very upfront on critical analysis of pseudoscientific issues. For more from that other wiki, Wikipedia: RationalWiki - Wikipedia
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Here is another book that really dives into how nutrition affects you. Tons of studies cited. I listened to it years ago but wanted to go back through it.
So @Marc
Outside of veganism vs other diets earlier on you mentioned just eating once a day. Do you practice that? Intermittent fasting? I kind of do. I eat one big meal and 2 within a 5 hour window. We have a break 90 minutes before my shift is over. I generally eat something light like an apple and banana or a few servings of berries and a carrot .
Then an hour or so after getting home I’m cook my dinner. Then about an hour after that I’ll have a few servings of juicy fruits like watermelon, cantaloupe pineapple and so on. Sometimes it’s more desert like such as banana topped with berries and nuts with something like PB2 powder .
EastwoodDC,
One would be hard pressed to find a worse reply to a topic.
a) “Those of us who … etc” swaggering
b) “…but any idiot can make a video, and quite a few do.” pathetic attempt at belittling
c) "Diet and nutrition is not my area but I know … " Clearly and by your own admission you don’t contribute anything useful with this kind of comments.
d) Dunning-Kruger effect, in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general.
Absolutely agree.
Once a day, if at all possible.
It is much easier to do this with a carnivore diet than it is with other diets since ketones are a much better source of energy than glucose and they last a long time whilst glucose runs out of puff in 2 hours.
Vegetarian animals need to eat all day long, ruminate or eat their own feces to brake down their food.
But I am sure you know this already.
Intermittent fasting is an excellent practice. In general as long as you do the polar opposite from the dietary suggestions the government pontificates to protect the food industry, you are doing just fine.
Personally I fast one day a week, usually Mondays, so I have my last food Sunday afternoon, skip Monday, and eat again on Tuesday. Because on Tuesday I am hungry, I usually have breakfast in the form of Bacon and Eggs, Cheese and sausages. No breakfast the rest of the week. In my experience and since I adopted the carnivore diet, I can go a long way between meals without even noticing.
My main source of sustenance is lamb meat, and some liver from time to time. I wish I could learn to make liver more palatable since it is the best possible human food.
As for fasting, I found this video very educational. (Even when the examples of food to break fasting are rather biased) Videos are an excellent source of information provided in an easy to digest format. The claim that any idiot can make a video is false. Not only are videos hard to produce in an acceptable format, but they require research just as to write an article.
https://youtu.be/_wXcKLxWAvo
Guess I have never noticed struggling to go a long time without eating between meals. But maybe that’s because plants are are usually 8-10% or more in protein and stocked full of antioxidants. So my oxidative stress is much lower. I use to fast every week as well. But on Saturdays. Now instead I typically eat breakfast on these days and little or no lunch and dinner. But because of so little cholesterol and fat in my diet and all the antioxidants my organs don’t need to take major breaks as much as someone on another diet who needs to heavily detox. Many herbivores do munch on food quite a bit. Like the gorilla and elephant.
Well I can meet you half way annd we can both agree that at least all the videos and articles written on the science involved in the benefits and superiority of WFPB diet are well researched.
Out of curiosity, how do you get enough fiber? Or do you feel that fiber is also just false?
Best way to get some fibre, and the science is diverging on the point of needing it, best way is to get fermented fibre. I have sauerkraut and asparagus as source of fibre. It’s an acquired taste and may not be for everyone. Must say that if I don’t have it, I don’t miss it.
I also have bluebarries as a treat with lots of cream yet no added sugar.
I like fermented food as well. I even sometimes have bread soda kvas which is a fermented drink. Around 4 ounces once a week. I make veggie dogs often with liquid smoke and carrots and will top them with lots of sauerkraut.
Not stupid at all.
Think about it. You argue that eating meat is animal abuse because the animal is killed for food. I argue that everything we eat is killed for food. The argument that it is wrong to kill a sheep for food yet it is OK to kill a plant to eat, is an appeal to emotions.
Lambs are so cute, a carrot does not cry when killed for food.
The added reasoning that monoculture kills millions of animals for no reason, no one benefits from that, is ignored. The fact that monoculture destroys the soil and only pastures and animals can restore it is also conveniently ignored.
The percentage of land used for agriculture vs pastures is skewed data. Not all land is arable land, in fact it is the least amount of land that is able to sustain the abuse of monoculture. Grazing is the most natural use of the land and the one that allows marginal land to become productive.
As for the various “diabetes associations” around the world recommending the poor diabetic to eat whole grain bread instead of white bread as if that would make a iota of difference, I find that criminal. Wholegrain or white, all ends up as sugar.
Type 2 diabetes can be completely reversed with a very low carb diet. The problem is that it is not possible to make money that way.
If only it were that simple. Very low carb diets certainly can lower blood sugar, but are dependent on protein and fat as energy sources, which basically means animal derived food only. Expensive and not very practical. and somebody would make a lot of money off it, from looking at the price of hamburger. And whole wheat products have advantages of fiber, delayed absorption which lowers sugar spikes, as well as better nutrients. Of course, my wife was dxed with celiac disease, so I have to keep wheat products out of the house for the most part, and gluten free flour and products have a way to go to match wheat flour.
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You seem to just be really out of touch with reality if you think vegans are the ones who don’t consider the amount of destruction caused by crops. You are out of touch with reality if you think that by monocultures crops damaging the planet for vegan diets but that the other 80% grown for livestock is not. Farmland that grows crops are not used as pastures.
Secondly, if grazing lands was what was the most natural thing then why is there hundreds of types of habitats and ecosystems in USA? Forests? Bogs? Grasslands and meadows are just some of them and those did not sustain hundreds of billions of large animals. Hence, why they use livestock crops and not pastures for the bulk of food for livestock. Look up articles in journals such as Nature, and you’ll see again and again, that the natural archetype is what’s best for the ecological place 99% of the time and it only changes when infrastructure changes it. But youve got enough on your hands to google than to add that to your plate.
So let’s stick with diabetes. As I have shown you before, diabetes is actually one of my favorite diseases of affluence to study and one of my very good friends, she’s a registered dietician with the state of California and has dozens and dozens of patients who has either reversed diabetes 2 or either significantly reduced their insulin resistance with diabetes 1 or 2. She a RDN ( registered dietitian nutritionist ) and has her masters in public health. Everything she does is from the Whole Foods plant based step. You’ve mentioned earlier about vegans lasting a few months. Well we’ve each have been one for close to 15 years or more.
You would do well to see her intro to this subject.
To keep this from jumping around, let’s just spend some time focused solely on diabetes and nutrition. Let’s forget everything else for now.
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Can you show me an article from a well respected journal, that’s peer reviewed, that states that a whole foods plant based diet is unhealthy for diabetes?
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Can you show me an article from a well respected journal , that’s peer reviewed, that states a carnivorous diet is good for diabetes? Is the healthy aspect of this diet solely calorie restriction reducing weight making insulin more effective or something else?
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You seem to also be very confused on what a carbohydrate is. You seem to be confusing it with the grocery term carbs. So I will pose a few examples and two will be a Whole Foods plants based heavy carbohydrate meal and two will not be.
A. Loaf of bread with olive oil dip with impossible vegan Italian sausage.
B. Pinto beans, onions, and broccoli in an oil free ginger sauce.
C. Sliced sweet potato with nutritional yeast seasoning and a side of kale salad with orange and apple chunks in it seasoned with strawberry vinaigrette.
D. Wheat spaghetti noodles in marinara sauce and a side of garlic breadsticks with dipping sauce made from olive oil and basil.
So all of those meals are vegan. All of those meals are predominantly made up of carbohydrates. But again, only two really fits the bill of whole food plant based meals.
I look forward to your answer to those three questions. No they are not rhetorical.
Since you seem to like YouTube.
From your ludicrous misunderstanding of agriculture pastures and animal husbandry to the links to reversing diabetes with plant based food, I am afraid I can’t be bothered.
Clearly you are happy eating carbs galore in the belief it is good for you.
And it may even be so for now. Let’s hope it stays like that for you. For the vast majority it is not.
Reversing diabetes is interesting, but more so for practicing MD. I lack the empathy and the patience to give advice. Much more interesting is to uncover why we are at this absurd predicament where 50% of people have turned obese and sick in a matter of 50 years.
And no, it is not “affluence”, it is ignorance and governments collusion with corporations.
Yet this debate is pointless.
As I said before, there is no point in debating a vegan, Godspeed.
Womp womp womp. You can’t find the studies. You can’t be bothered. Go back to your conspiracy theories and YouTube videos then and keep presenting your bad advice based on terrible “research”. I’ve not since someone be more wrong about more things back to back than you. That’s how I know people like you are just here as a teaching tool to show others what not to do and how to not do it.
You don’t understand habitats or ecology.
You don’t understand farming.
You don’t understand nutrition.
You don’t even understand food terms like carb versus nutritional terms like carbohydrates.
That’s ignorance.
Then the arrogance shows by you dismissing studies presented by arguments from organizations like American Cancer Research, American Diabetes Association and even from places like Harvard discussing studies that lasted years.
I’m not the one that has to hope it keeps working out. It’s been consistently proven to work for hundreds of millions, for entire nations that consume a diet far richer in plants as food than the typical western diet. You are the one that needs to hope your diet works out. But it will probably end up on the track as “the liver king” and Dr. Atkinson.
You say there is no point in debating a vegan. I would not call what you did debating. You provided next to zero evidence for your claims, your did not counter anything I said and you mostly just avoided questions posed specifically to show what you know. So I want to thank you for one of the funniest and easiest back and forth rant countering discussions I’ve had in a while. Even after I moved past this and was steering the questions towards just general convo about intermittent fasting you still dived right back into “debating a vegan” .
If you ever want to continue, if you could just answer those questions you just refused it would be a sign of good faith that you actually want to dig into this.
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