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We had a variation on this topic just a short while ago, and it went on forever:
“Does the Bible really say Jesus was God?” [/quote]
You decide -
Jesus said “Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me (monos) alone: and yet “ouk eimi monos” (I am not alone), because the Father is with me.” [John 16:32]
Now look at how “MONOS” was applied to God the Father in the old testament, telling us He was "ALONE, i.e., Jesus was absent, not with the Father.
PROPHETS WERE MONOTHEISTIC
Jehovah God has already told us in Isaiah, that He, The Father, created heaven and earth monos (alone).
[Isa 37:16,20]
Isaiah 37:16 O (kurie)singular) LORD) of hosts, (Theos)singular) God) of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, (su) singular)thou) art the
(Theos)singular)God), even thou (monos (alone), of all the kingdoms of the earth: (su)singular)thou) hast made heaven and earth.
Isaiah 37:20 Now therefore, O (kurie)(singular)LORD) our (Theos)(singular)God), save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that (su ei o’ Theos monos) (thou art the LORD, even (thou (monos) only).
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the (kurios)(singular)LORD), thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb,(I am)singular)(egw) the (kurios)(singular) LORD) that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens (monos (alone); that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Nehemiah 9:6 Thou, even (su)(singular)thou), art (kurios)(singular)LORD) (monos)singular)alone); (su)(singular)thou) hast made heaven, the heaven of
heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and (su)(singular)thou) preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth (soi)(singular)thee).
NEH 9:6
THOU ART LORD -(HEBREW JEHOVAH) ALONE.
Psalm 86:10 thou art God monos (alone).
THOU ART THE GOD ALONE (monos).
In Gen 17:1 God introduced Himself to Abraham thusly:
EGW = first-person-singular pronoun ="I"
EIMI = first-person-singular present active verb ="am"
O’ = singular definite article = "the"
THEOS = Nominative masculine singular noun = “God”
“EGW EIMI O’ THEOS”
LAW WAS MONOTHEISTIC
a)Gen 17:1 In Gen 17:1 God introduced Himself to Abraham thusly:
“I” “am” “the” “God.”
b)Gen 26:24 “I” “am” “the” "God."
c)Gen 31:13 “I” “am” “the” "God."
d)Gen 46:3 “I” “am” “the” "God."
e)Exo 3:6 “I” “am” “the” “God.”
PSALMS WERE MONOTHEISTIC
f)Psa 45:11 “I” “am” “the” “God.”
PROPHETS
g)Isa 45:22 “I” “am” “the” "God."
h)Isa 46:9 “I” “am” “the” "God."
i)Isa 48:17 “I” “am” “the” “God.”
[B]NEW COVENANT[/B] WAS MONOTHEISTIC
j)Mat 22:32 “I” “am” “the” “God.”
So God introduced Himself to Abraham as a 1st person singular God. And He introduced Himself to the New Testament readers in the identical rhetoric He
used at the first. That takes care of the doctrine that he is a plurality of persons,
because “person singular” tells us how many persons are being considered; i.e., one. That is the meaning of “person singular” whether 1st, 2nd, or 3rd person
singular; or 1st, 2nd, or 3rd person plural - And it does not change when it gets to the New Covenant.
All of Sola Scriptura then tells the same story -
Mat 22:32 I am the God
In Exo 3:14 God introduced himself to Moses using singular pronoun, singular verb, singular definite article and singular verb participle. “I AM THE BEING.”
“Singular” participle means there is only one person in “The Being.”
Again, the number of “Persons” in God is a matter of Grammatical Principle, not comparison definition. No one has to prove God is a person, and no one has to
prove God is not three persons, because the grammatic principle deals with precisely that issue.
JEHOVAH GOD THE FATHER IS MONOTHEISTIC
The identity of God the Father as “the Holy Spirit”-
[Isa 63:11-16] Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is HE that put HIS Holy Spirit within him? 12 That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name? 13 That led them through the deep, as an horse in
the wilderness, that they should not stumble? 14 As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit OF JEHOVAH caused him to rest: so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name. 15 Look down from heaven, and behold from the habitation of thy holiness and of thy glory: where is thy zeal and thy strength, the sounding of thy bowels and of thy mercies toward me? are they restrained? 16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O JEHOVAH, art OUR FATHER, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.
So scripture taught very early, that God is the Father, and sends HIS Spirit to accomplish certain things. He did not send a “third-person-of-a-trinity” Spirit anywhere.
Later, The prophet Joel established that Jehovah will send His spirit upon all flesh. There is no scripture that will sustain a third-person-of-a-trinity-Holy-Spirit being sent anywhere.
PROPHET JOEL WAS MONOTHEISTIC
[JOEL 2:28-32]
“And [u]it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out MY SPIRIT upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out MY SPIRIT. 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that
whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.”
LUKE WAS MONOTHEISTIC
And Luke sustains this concept in the new testament -[ACTS 2:16-21][61 a.d.]
"But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 “And it shall come to pass in the last days, SAITH GOD, I will pour out of MY SPIRIT upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days OF MY SPIRIT; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
MATHEW WAS MONOTHEISTIC
52 a.d. Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
APOSTLE PAUL WAS MONOTHEISTIC
50 A.D. [I THES 4:8]
“He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but GOD, who hath also given unto us HIS Holy Spirit.”
56 A.D. [ROM 8:11]
“But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by HIS Spirit that dwelleth in you”
JESUS WAS MONOTHEISTIC
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Luke 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in
heaven, so in earth.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
PAUL WAS MONOTHEISTIC
Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2 Cor 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of the God and Father of us:
Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who
hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Col 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
1 Thess 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be
unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience
of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
1 Thess 3:11 Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in
holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
2 Thess 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thess 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope
through grace,
1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
2 Tim 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Titus 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Phlmn 1:3 Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
PETER WAS MONOTHEISTIC
1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
JOHN WAS MONOTHEISTIC
1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.