I havent developed a better wording for the question…i hope the above is adequate.
The bible talks extensively about God’s glory and our separation from Him as a result of sin.
We see examples of the effect of God’s presence in stories about Moses coming down from the mountain after spending time with God:
> 29 When Moses came down from Mount Sinai, with the two tablets of the testimony in his hand as he came down from the mountain, Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone because he had been talking with God.d 30 Aaron and all the people of Israel saw Moses, and behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to come near him. 31 But Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the leaders of the congregation returned to him, and Moses talked with them. 32 Afterward all the people of Israel came near, and he commanded them all that the LORD had spoken with him in Mount Sinai. 33 And when Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face.
> 34 Whenever Moses went in before the LORD to speak with him, he would remove the veil, until he came out. And when he came out and told the people of Israel what he was commanded, 35 the people of Israel would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses’ face was shining. And Moses would put the veil over his face again, until he went in to speak with him.
> 1 And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James, and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. 3 …He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son,a with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” 6 When the disciples heard this, they fell on their faces and were terrified.
and finally at the Second Coming…
2 Thess 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.
and Revelation 6
> 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slaved and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
Given the numerous Biblical examples of us not being able to look upon God and live (because of Sin), what are the views of this forum on what happened to Adam and Eve such that they realised they were:
- naked; and
- hid themselves from God when he came walking into the garden in Genesis 3:8
I am developing the idea that in fact sin removed from us that layer of glory that clothed Adam and Eve in the garden prior to the fall.
The loss of this layer of protection has been substituted with sin and at this point, even Adam and Eve could not look upon the Father without being stuck down
If we consider the request of Moses to God in Exodus 33
> 18 Moses said, “Please show me your glory.” 19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The LORD.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.”
Indeed if we look to a New Testament example of the effects of the glory of even Jesus…Saul (later the apostle Paul) is a good one…
> 1 But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. 3 Now as he went on his way, he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven shone around him. 4 And falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” 5 And he said, “Who are you, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 6 But rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do.” 7 The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one. 8 Saul rose from the ground, and although his eyes were opened, he saw nothing. So they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And for three days he was without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
then finally the bible talks around us being able to come boldly before the throne…i believe this is because Jesus has wrapped His cloak of righteousness around us and we are therefore judged righteous and not as filthy wrags.
I wonder, if although we were created perfect, when the separation from God happened at the fall, we lost that layer of righteousness that Christ is going to restore to us in the judgement and we shall be deemed sinless again.
I also put it to the forum that this layer of Jesus righteousness is the very same transformation that will happen to all those who are saved in the resurrection (not that we lose our physical bodies completely and take on only spiritual ones).
I also put it to the forum that this is also the reason why after Jesus own resurrection, he was not recognised by his followers (Mary Magdalene at the tomb or the two disciples on the road to Emaus). Although strangely enough Peter recognised him from the boat when he was standing on the shore…I’m trying to work out this one as its uniquely intriguing…why was it only Peter who recognised the risen Christ and at a distance?