the evidence that it was instant is that I cannot see evolution anywhere in any animal anywhere?Do you?
Thereâs plenty of evidence for evolution. Literally tons and tons.
But even if there were none, there is no evidence of instantaneous Creation. The way the whole universe âworksâ is through growth. Nothing happens instantaneously.
So claiming that âno evidence for evolutionâ is justification for âinstantaneous Creationâ is actually ridiculous (and I use that word literallyâworthy of ridicule).
Consider that some people are forced to conclude that God created the universe âwith the appearance of age.â This is a claim that is impossible to prove. God could have created the universe three minutes ago, with the âappearance of age,â our recent memories included.
SoâŚwhat evidence do you actually appeal to? Since thereâs no physical evidence of âinstantaneous Creationâ and you have to insert a word into the biblical text to âread that intoâ the text?
the whole point is that no difference exist at all between if God did it or not that is my exact point and since he created the earth I think he does and should make a difference. If you are going to believe in evolution by naturalism with no God involved, Why are you on Bio logos?
Wow, this is a little frustrating. Who said God wasnât involved? Where are you getting this from? When the Hades did I ever say that?
You have this amazing and annoying capacity of reading what is not writtenâwhether it is âinstantâ in the biblical text of whether it is all kinds of things you think Iâm saying that Iâm not saying. Why are you doing this? Are you being deliberately dishonest? Or is this accidental?
when you said, whats the difference when shopping in a mall with God or without God?If i were an atheist as long your your shopping who cares?
Yeah, thatâs the point. You had no point.
Whatâs the difference between evolution with God and without God?
WellâŚGod, of course! Thatâs the difference! A naturalistic, blind universe is ultimately purposeless and meaningless. But God creates (however his mechanism) for purpose and meaning.
You asked if you an atheist, why should you really care as long as I agree with you about evolution?
I donât know. How many atheists do you know? Some people care desperately about getting you to agree about evolution because they believe that itâs true and they care deeply about what is true. There are some that care desperately about atheism because they believe deeply about that. And then there are evolutionists that donât give a turd what you think. And then there are atheists that donât give a turd what you think. And all the variations in between.
Ironically, those that push their position simply because they believe it is trueâwell, thatâs kind of admirable. We, as Christians, do the same, donât we?
So whatâs your point?
I believe the bible tells about Jesus and what it says about Jesus is 100% correct and accurate. that is how it is the word of God.
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You are making this more confusing than it needs to be.let me explain. Atheist that believe in evolution use evolution as the âcreatorâ in order to get rid of God because they do not want to believe in God. So they push Darwinian evolution to do it. Now do you really think just âtacking on God on evolutionâ makes that much difference? or does it just make a person âfeel betterâ for doing it? evolution is still evolution one way or another it makes no difference, Evidence does NOT exist for evolutionâŚ
Evidence does exist for evolution. To claim that it doesnât is sheer willful ignorance. Now, you can interpret the evidence differently (which is increasingly difficult to doâand the main reason why I am no longer a 6-day Creationist), but to say âit doesnât existâ is just ignorant.
See, it isnât about âbeing confusing.â Itâs actually about sincerely and faithfully evaluating evidence and scriptureâsomething you seem unwilling to do, because you stand on extra-biblical traditions about scripture and ignore physical evidence about evolution.
Do you believe the universe was created in 6 literal days?
What if I tell you about Jesus? And everything I tell you is 100% correct? Am I the word of God?
If evidence exist pleases tell me what you think it is and how you know for sure? and if Darwin was a believer why did he need to come up with an idea like Darwinism the tree of life and so forth? why could he just said the God did it and had been happy at that? i know you will claim that is "learning"but since i do not witness evolution in any form in reality it is just âVOODOO scienceâ if you will and to me it is a pack of lies.
God can create the universe any way he wants who are you to say not?
unless you are made out of paper,NO.you really are confused about how the Bible is the word of God as a baptist it has always been accepted as the {inerrant word of God}. what you need to do is go on the web and find a Baptist church close to you and look on itâs web site about"our doctrine or "what we believeâ. maybe that will help you understand it better than me telling you,you do not seem to want to believe what I say anyhow, so attempting to explain it seems futile to me in the least.
Why couldnât we be happy living in caves? Why bother learning about tectonic plates and weather patterns? Quantum mechanics? Relativity? Why bother learning about ecology? And genetics?
Why not just be happy with âGod did itâ?
Because THATâS WHAT SCIENCE IS!!!
And who are you to say not? God can do it however he wants. The evidence shows that he used evolution.
But you donât like thatâŚ
Why?
I understand what youâre saying. The problem is that it is not completely compatible with what the Bible says.
Whatâs your preferenceâwhat the Bible says or the Baptist denominational stance?
all animals and man him self included has similar structures in his wrist and hand, that being the case why would you trust bone structure at all? i have the same bone structure in my wrist as a whale has in itâs flipper but, I am certainly not a whale. so bone structures are OUT correct? because that can not be trusted to be accurate if what i said is true. Correct???
The Bible is the word of God in book form and that is Godâs written word to us, that is what we go by to know salvation and who Christ is and how God held his people the Jews in the old testament. No where did I say you needed to be a Baptist, i said if you want to understand my position you need to look at the [church Doctrine} and from where I get my source of understanding that you question, as i cannot get you to understand it. To me, I do not care if you are the Boogie Woogie bugle boy of company B.[ that is an old song i am referring to if you want to hear it ,look it up]
UmâŚno.
I have no idea what youâre trying to argue here. âSimilarityâ means itâs untrustworthy? What does that have to do with it? I drive a car. It is similar to other cars. But itâs not a truck. Therefore, I canât trust my car?
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The Bible is the word of God in book form and that is Godâs written word to us,[/quote]
Says who? Itâs true because you say it?
Things donât work like that martin. Iâve gone by what the Bible says. Youâre going by tradition, the Baptist stance, and âjust because you say so.â
Not really good enough.
That doesnât make it âGodâs word.â âGodâs wordâ is not defined by âthatâs what we go by.â
No, I get it. I really do. I was brought up that way. But I came to realize that the Bible doesnât really agree with the way I was brought up. The tradition isnât âdevastatingly wrong,â but neither is it completely correct.