Eh? Adam and Eve were always on Earth. Made of the same stuff.
I am well aware of the meaning of entropyâŚthe issue is, you do not understand the theological implications of a claim that is based in evolutionary belief. I do not agree that âlife requires entropy to existââŚGod miraculously spoke the universe and this earth into existenceâŚit was miraculous and not scientific. Science is an explanation of we observe, it is our construct of what God has done. We observe and test only that which sin has already corruptedâŚwe have absolutely no modern or historical model with which we may test creation prior to sin.
The bible quite explicitly tells us, prior to the war in heaven, after which Lucifer and his angels were cast out, prior to the fall of Adam and Eve, things were very very different in not only the universe, but also on this earth. The bible spends an entire 66 books illustrating the pain, death, suffering, destruction caused by the entry of sin into the universe (particularly this earth - because the bible is about our story/journey), it impossible to ignore that and make the claim that we are evolving into something better (which is what i believe the very definition of Entropy attempts to portray)
Christs ministry clearly shows the plan of salvation has absolutely nothing to do with us evolving into some thing betterâŚin fact the book of revelation prophecies us descending into darkness and destruction if left to our own accord and its at this point of no return that God will finally step in and stop Satanâs merciless plunder of what was once a beautiful creation now ruined by sin.
But Eden (while on Earth) was supernatural, no death, A&E living in the presence of God.
Your last sentence is entropy because of the implications on biblical theology as a result of the standard evolutionary entropy model. It cannot explain miracles and that is a significant issue. One cannot simply ignore miracles whilst still maintaining an allegiance to the naturalism evolutionary model of entropy.
Im. happy to have biblical texts quoted to correct my thinking on thisâŚi havenât quoted any in response yet because my responses above are my face value responses without having thought in depth about it yet. (that is not to say i havenât indirectly thought about it because my theological response shows that i have clearly âoff the cuffâ thought up significant problems without even researching).
As you know, Im not a shallow researcher of biblical theologyâŚso my answers usually are cross linked to the entire biblical theology and when problems appear in one small area, i notice them immediately.
Iâm happy to have these issues surrounding the entropy resolved because lets face it, given my academic background is based in technology and education, Iâm supposed to attempt to support the idea rather than deny it without first considering the possibilityâŚmy throwing up a wall doesnt mean that it cant be torn down or a doorway made in order to pass through it?
That has not been evident in your discussion.
That is so wrong I would not know where to begin - I donât mean theologically, or implications or evidence of anything - just that you do not have a grasp of the definition or meaning of the word.
Nobody died yet, before the fall. And neither did anybody die immediately after the fall, although God said they would die.
Depends on what you mean by function?
Is life possible without it? No. The struggle against opposing forces is the very essence of the process of life. Without these challenges there is no life â nothing to learn and no reason to adapt. The question is identical to the whether life can exist without death, for death is only the ultimate consequence of this thermodynamic law.
So does this mean there is death in heaven or no life in heaven? No. It is only necessary in the beginning of life, when you want something that organizes itself and completely responsible for what it becomes. But once the commitment to life (to learning) has been made, then all life needs is something to learn. And then instead of the struggle against nothingness life can about the reaching for the infinite - something we can find in a relationship with God.
But then why not simply start with the latter? Because in that case you will only have an extension of God, i.e. servants. God created the universe with its laws of nature (including thermodynamics), because God wanted more than this â children. Those with a life all their own choosing for themselves to seek after all their parent can offer them.
That would explain why Adam and Eve did not heed Godâs warning â they didnât have any idea what God was talking about.
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So the Bible is talking about fairies, unicorns, and Harry Potter. If only we can find some magic dust then we will be saved.
When I was in high school someone asked me what I thought of the Bible. I said, âit is at least as good as the other fantasy and science fiction books I have read.â And that is because I read the Bible in the way you suggest also â having nothing to do with real life. But I am a Christian now because I found another way to read the Bible, where it is not about some magical world nobody can see like Santaâs north pole, but about the invisible realities of the real world all around us â about how the earth can be a garden of Eden if our self-destructive habits (called sin) didnât poison everything.
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Rather more philosophical than what I had in mind. But certainly interesting and much more creative.