Choosing between miracles and what's in the Bible

[adamjedgar (adam james edgar)]

@knor

It is evident that you support one way to interpret the biblical scriptures and cannot accept or understand the alternative ones. I can understand that to some degree as I used to support that way of interpretation when I was a young believer. I was also quite stubborn with it, defending it strongly. I guess the primary reason why I supported and defended it was that I read YEC-minded books that seemed convincing to a young believer.

a couple of responses to this (in reverse order):

1. Im am not a “young believer”

• I have been involved in Christianity for about 43 years
• I have been trained theologically at academic level in biblical theology
• my own father is a theologian who has been academically trained at university in theology and the languages of the bible

I am not aware that you have any of the above training, so your “young believer” experience, it doesn’t surprise me at all that you have gone down this pathway given that its highly likely that whoever parroted their theology to you did a really poor job of it in that they clearly had a poor understanding themselves!

2. You, like many others here, do not seem to be able to get past the fallacy of the notion of “modern human interpretation”.

• The bible comprehensively deals with this over and over again and yet you continue to revert to wives tales without actually checking it out for yourself. The bible teaches that men have already interpretated Gods revelation to us…he used men (those who wrote the Bible) to do this. Given they have already interpreted, what is it that you are trying to achieve here…making a square wheel in the hope it will work despite being shown emphatically that it will not?
• the aim of scholarship these days is not to change the meaning of the Bible…it seeks to get back to the original. Its very clear that we have the original…so any notion that one day we will miraculously stumble upon an “original” Old Age Earth theology biblical codex…that is complete nonsense and i can assure you, it will never happen. the reason it will never happen is because the bible cannon was established over a long period of time beginning in 393 (council of Hippo) and ending in 1546 at the council of Trent.
• Ancient scholars spent more than 1,000 years commencing shortly after the last of the apostles had died brining together all of the New Testament writings…the Old Testament they already had…given they did not change the Old Testament cannon, its clear they agreed with its writings.

Let me provide some additional referencing about “prophets” at this point…

Now if you note…one of the criteria above is to provide instructions, commands, or plans for humanitys future

How you can believe that God can tell the future but deny He also knows the past better than anyone here does, and that He describes that past in the Bible?

Also, lets not forget this…

Only a theological delusion can ignore those dilemma so if you think that i am YEC because of an immature “young Christian” delusion…you are very much mistaken there amigo. I have this view because of an overwhelming volume of theological, rathional, and scientific evidence that consistenly supports the view. I would argue i have a far more consistent and better supported religious and scientific claim to my view than you do…the fact i can cite so much biblical, theological, and scientific support is proof of that.

Heres an interesting illustration found here on these forums that i can use as an example:

My Journey from Doubt to Faith

I’m a 20-year-old guy living in Brazil. I was born and raised in a Christian denomination—and environment—that is extremely fundamentalist. Since I was a kid, I was taught that science is wrong and only tries to disprove God’s existence. After my father’s death in 2019 (I was 14), I started to question things. Even though I was still a Christian, I began to value atheists more than Christians. But that phase ended in 2021, after the pandemic. In 2023, when I was 18, I met the first skeptic in …

a “Christian” poster here on these forums wrote that he believes that “many of the New Testament Gospel writings are made up” and that Christs prophecy about the Second Coming is a “failed prophecy”. He also says he doesnt believe in the incarnation.

Do you not see the issue in the above example? This individual has been completely mislead into thinking he is Christian and yet he quite obviously here hasnt a clue what the gospel actually is or means and quite obviously demonstrates a view that salvation in the Second Coming of Christ isnt real! Nothing YEC teach would ever lead an individual into such theological errors regarding the Gospel and Salvation.

what has happened there is an innability to reconcile reality with theology. The problem is, even i face the impossibility of a man appearing in the clouds of “the big sky” and im YEC! Science presents dilemmas for both of us there, however, i dont go throwing out the parts of the bible that are inconvenient!