And regarding a strong case that both Keener and May recognize the medical documentation for… “psychosomatic” 43:50
Can’t listen now, but will try to find time tonight, as I might be considered a skeptical doctor by many and am interested in what they have to say.
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I think you should watch videos before posting them.
Keener is so good, even when he is wrong, it’s worth seeing 
and Joshua Brown is outstanding to see in action
“Black swan event” Joshua Brown 1:16:47
About statistics, we already know about multiple lottery wins in the order that the tickets were bought in separate lotteries, and the winner being the only one who bought any tickets. And it has nothing to do with cold reading.
But…
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“Psychosomatic” for the third time with three cases where the documentation is not disputed. 1:25:50
Someone commented on YouTube, Peter May ought to have this word tattooed on his hands.
Cringe worthy fumble 
1:27:30
(a contextual explanation or dilemma follows 1:29:25)
Breathtaking remark from Peter May at 1:40:30
“We don’t know the complexities of what’s going on in mind and in matter.”
And off came the gloves in last couple minutes. That got heated fast!
I just started watching it, and about his father’s prayer, you should suspect if not know 
I would say something about God’s providential timing. So it’s likely May is looking at the wrong events in this narrative to perceive God’s intervention and who experiences it – it may be more about May’s father than it is about him – a miracle of timing and placing, a miracle where no natural laws are broken, as is God’s wont in many, many cases.
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May is a walking irony. Wait to you hear about his recovery from leukemia. The heart issues become evident in the last couple of minutes. In some ways I can understand where May is coming from, but the evidence is very strong in the particular cases they look at. And yet does the preponderance of evidence work for or against miracles?
Do isolated cases break the statistical threshold. Are there “black swan events”? Should this kind of event require a revaluation of the preponderance of evidence?
While May is a Christian and believes miracles happened in the Bible, his comment about the complexities of matter and mind indicate a pantheistic type of skepticism.
I’m looking forward to reading the responses from other people who watch the video.
Just started, I can relate to the introductory comments. I especially was sympathetic to the doctor’s story, as it is very similar to that of some dear friends. Their child had surgery and a large neuroblastoma (a malignant tumor arising from the adrenal gland) was found and biopsied ( so no misdiagnosis) and after much prayer wound up going to the large regional medical center to be treated, they found it had disappeared. The father in the family who was previously agnostic, became a believer through the process. A miracle was declared. But, it is well known that 20% or so of that type of tumor has spontaneous regression. So, was it a miracle or just the natural course of events? Was the miracle really the change in the heart of the father, not the disappearance of the tumor? The child today is a successful attorney, so not entirely a happy ending…
Sorry, could not help myself. He actually is a great guy with a beautiful family.
Will listen to more later, but it is tough to find 2 hours in one sitting.
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No worries. I listened to it in sections throughout the day. Then my phone died with two minutes left just as May and Keener started to go at it.
Medical evidence for miracles is a contradiction in terms. If there were objective evidence for such a thing then it would be science not a miracle.
Yeah I believe miracle healing happens, but that is an entirely different thing than expecting it to be a reliable medical procedure. Even if a doctor believes such a thing can happen, it is contrary to his profession to make such thing a part of either a diagnosis or a treatment. And should a medical doctor be unprofessional when talking to patients? Talking to him at church might be different.
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Well, now I May have to do more of it. I was thinking this morning that I might fast forward through his stuff because it didn’t look like he was going to have anything else to say… I’m only 46 minutes in.
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I took in every moment. Sometimes I listened and sometimes I watched. May’s thumb down was quite a moment. It felt like no amount of evidence would be sufficient. If the medical documentation confirmed that someone was genuinely healed, then that was supposed to be convincing. But blindness isn’t as spectacular as a withered hand being instantly healed, if that was witnessed first hand then they would supposedly believe.
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No doubt. I don’t see anyone saying, or anyone I would listen to, that prayer is ever predictable.
Have you considered the evidence presented in the video? If you don’t want to watch it, I will summarize it for you.
these are good observations.
I haven’t watched the video yet. I look forward to it. It is a really tough one!
Just from my background–in the last week, I have seen equally improbable catastrophe and blessings. Just judging from improbability, both God and Satan would be at work. It’s much more likely, in my impression, that it’s natural causes, since I don’t think Satan can do that.
I would remain quite skeptical–but I do pray often (throughout the day and night) for my patients, and with them, if I know that they are interested in it. My kids also pray (generically) that my patients will do well.
It leads me to other questions–why would God allow such horrible things in the first place? I don’t want to think of that. I honestly think it’s humble and ok to say “I don’t know.” Thanks.
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God isn’t called inscrutable for nothing twice, three times in the Bible words translated that way, OT and New.
It’s a complicated question and we really never know what the answer is for someone else, other than we need to grieve with those who are grieving.
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