You’ll have to explain that. I’m not. I have no idea why you would say that. Better yet prove it. Or retract.
Hoo boy.
Since those are mutually exclusive, guess what, you contradict yourself.
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Why are you being deliberately obtuse?
Now you’re being funny.
Why am I not amused?
There is definitely humor in irony. You can’t see the irony, apparently.
You aren’t employing it.
Or maybe, in fact, you just aren’t recognizing it. When you have to explain the joke to someone, it loses a lot.
What joke? . . .
If, in one breath you say 1 + 1 = 2, and in the next demand that 1 + 1 = 3, those being mutually exclusive, and then someone points that out to you, then you accuse them of being obtuse. Yeesh.
It’s not me that’s missing something.
God as He is as a rational posit - who is immutable - and God as we make Him up - which has evolved for four millennia - are not the same.
So my apologies if you need that finger painting out.
That is not what you said. Without modifiers or conditions, you said two contradictory things, plain for all to see.
It would not be difficult to return the insult.
Therefore that’s what I meant. I can’t believe that you didn’t realise that, but I guess I’ll have to. I never have this problem in the Olde Worlde.
Whatever. Have a good rest of your evening.
You too my friend. Just had a double dose of very well honed The Good Fight.
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I assume you mean the developed doctrine of the trinity as articulated by later creeds? Sure, that, strictly speaking, is not in the Bible.
But the formula “in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit” itself is quite biblical, no?
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NT only
“In the name of the Lord” 8 times
“In the name of Jesus” 15 times
“In the name of the son of God” 2 time
“In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit” 1 time
“In the name of Paul” 1 time
And where is this one time the three are used? In the commission… to baptize in the name of the three. And when it speaks of Paul it is only to say we are not baptized in the name of Paul. But here and elsewhere it only speaks of baptism in the name of Jesus. In the Lord’s prayer, only the Father is mentioned. But are we really taught in the Bible that these are three distinct persons but one God? No we are not. So… no… the Trinity and the doctrine of the Trinity is not taught in the Bible. The most you can say is that this doctrine is about taking all of the Bible seriously and connecting the dots you get from doing so.
In any case the point was that when it comes to hell, this is actually mentioned by name and by no less than Jesus Himself. Thus to say that is not in the Bible is beyond absurd. It makes more sense by far to say that the Trinity is not in the Bible – and yet that is not an option for Christianity.
ahh, excellent!! sounds like we completely agree that the basic core traditional Trinitarian formulation (in nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti) is from Scripture and indeed from the mouth of Jesus!
So glad to hear we agree on that point!
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The word ‘algebra’ need not appear in a thorough textbook of the same, but its doctrines can indeed be taught in it.
@Daniel_Fisher
Yes, but this doesn’t change the fact that unlike “hell,” the word “Trinity” is not in the Bible. AND unlike ECT, the doctrine of the Trinity is not described or taught in the Bible either. The closest we get in the words of Jesus are the various place Jesus says things like “when you see me you see the Father” and “I and the Father are one.” There are good. No doubt about it. But not only is the Holy Spirit not mentioned in these or even in a similar manner elsewhere but people have interpreted these passages to mean something quite different than the doctrine of the Trinity. If we complain that their understanding adds the words to make “one in spirit” or “one in purpose,” they can complain that we add a word to make “one God.”
Yes just because the word algebra is not in a text doesn’t mean the text doesn’t teach algebra. But the doctrine of the Trinity is NOT taught in the Bible. Nowhere does it say that Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons but only one God. The doctrine of the Trinity is a conclusion that we draw from the Bible… from insisting that all of the Bible be taken seriously. I certainly agree that it fits the Bible and it fits better than competing ideas about God. Therefore I am a Trinitarian.
But by way of contrast, the word “hell” is actually in the Bible, used by Jesus, and ECT is described by Jesus and He teaches that “eternal punishment” is what some people can expect after death.