2025 Article on GAE - - Technical Nit-Picking

In 2025, Marcus Ross published a paper offering his theistic assessment of the GAE Hypothesis:

I was disappointed in his approach, but perhaps it was helpful to him to find ways to
distinguish his personal “take” on theories involving Universal Common Ancestors.
The abstract is below, and pretty much is all that is needed to see the ironies in his
analysis:

”Joshua Swamidass’ recent genealogical Adam and Eve (GAE) hypothesis posits that all humans alive by AD 1 could share genealogical ancestry with the biblical Adam, who lived as recently as 6,000 years ago. We evaluate the scientific underpinnings of this hypothesis, including
(1) ancestry studies providing timeframes to universal ancestors,
(2) the choice of AD 1 as a point of universal connection to Adam, and
(3) the deployment of unfalsifiable claims in both the recent GAE’s core and auxiliary propositions.

We find that the recent GAE hypothesis itself has not been specifically modeled or simulated, but rather it anachronistically employs studies of genealogical ancestors among the modern-day population. Necessary adjustments to the parameters of these studies would likely extend any potential date to GAE, as do challenges regarding the applicability of AD 1 and the extreme isolation of native Tasmanians. Both individually and collectively, these issues raise substantial challenges to the recent GAE timeline.”

Ross has done an impressive job explaining many of the scientific limitations for
evaluating just how long it would take to contribute Adam&Eve’s genealogy to
distant populations, including the very isolated one on Tasmania. But he isn’t
critical of the possibilities - - only of the probabilities. In other words, he doesn’t
say it isn’t possible. In fact, it is my impression that he believes the unguided
process, within an ancient context, would take well more than 100,000
years.

But my objection to his objections comes down to just one phrase: a Universal
Common Ancestor is an aspect of a theistic view of Genesis, and being
consistent with a theistic interpretation does not require a string of miracles,
it only requires a well planned series of PROVIDENTIAL marriages and matinigs
when the time and place allows for it.

How do you dismiss a scenario embracing the THEOLOGY of Adam and
Eve by not allowing for God’s providential hand to bring about the point of
having Adam & Eve.

DISCLAIMER: I personally do not endorse the necessity of Original SIn
to make Christianity sensible to the human situation. For more than 1,000
years, millions of Good and Devoted Christians - - in most of the Orthodox
communities - - have been satisfied that God required the burden of sin to
shape the lives and souls of mortals into his desired vessels. But for the
millions of Augustinians alive today, if you are “in for a penny, you are in
for a pound!” My Pilgrim ancestors believed in the Providential events
shaping the future of their devout community. I share this belief!

A recent Adam is still quite problematic. Tasmania is a problem. But you are correct, Christians generally do believe in providential events.

This does not mean that other genealogical proposals face the same scientific challenges. The existence of genetic ghosts among our ancestors is, after all, uncontroversial. Since Adam and Eve may be located among them without fear of scientific falsification, similar propositions that place the GAE deeper in time can be made (and indeed, already have been made).70 Such propositions, if anchored within a timeframe that proves durable against critique, may be serviceable for those who seek to maintain a historical Adam within the context of an evolutionary history of our species. That said, such models will need to contend with various theological issues that arise from their specific claims and interpretations about Genesis, most notably, the thorny questions raised by separating humankind into those who are descended from Adam and those who are not, no matter what point in history is chosen. Debates on these issues are ongoing and will doubtless be points of contention for any future GAE proposal.

https://www.amazon.com/Origin-Humanity-Evolution-Scripture-Conversation/dp/0567706400?asin=0567706400&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1

$40 seems a little steep especially considering I am not sure I would find anything new in there… anyone have any info on the book?

Zoom meeting from ASA where Loke was present to discuss his work.

Edit: after going through some…man…some of these guys ask terrible questions…a few were good but a quick listen does not make me a fan of ASA based on just this

Note that Toke identifies as a substance dualist so he adopts a position generally similar to the Catholic one and my now that the soul is supernaturally created by God.

I appreciated Seth’s Hart’s comment about geology and history overlapping in explaining an earthquake and applying that to what we are doing with A&E and science. Nothing is being force fit. It is integrating the understanding provided by overlapping frameworks to create a model that shows how both fields (taken to be accurate) can attempt to give us an even fuller picture of things.

Vinnie