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[St.Roymond]

@RichardG

Both those quotes claim it is honorable to give your own life.

Yes – they say the opposite of your position.
You argument was that all the dying for others that is involved in survival of the fittest is contrary to God’s nature. I said that is not a value that is found in scripture. You insisted that it was, but keep citing passages that contradict your point.

@RichardG

I said that the strong being favoured was wrong.

So you’re back to God not being in control of nature.

Prey get eaten because they are weaker (or slower) than the predator, but scripture praises God for supplying the prey – and the Matthew passage supports that. So your objection still boils down to not liking that some die for the sake of others.

[RichardG (Richard Gillett)]

@St.Roymond

You argument was that all the dying for others that is involved in survival of the fittest

How can you claim to understand evolution if you do not understand Survival of the fittest!

No creature willingly dies in nature. And neither is it just to do with predation.

@St.Roymond

@RichardG

I said that the strong being favoured was wrong.

So you’re back to God not being in control of nature

No I am not. ToE is nature running riot without God.

@St.Roymond

Prey get eaten because they are weaker (or slower) than the predator, but scripture praises God for supplying the prey

And you think that means God just sacrifices the weak? How is that supported by either of the passages I gave you?

@St.Roymond

So your objection still boils down to not liking that some die for the sake of others.

NO!

You have perverted Natural Selection. It is not anything like what you claim.

I repeat, How can you claim to understand Evolution and not understand Survival of the fittest (Natural Selection)?

No wonder you cannot see my objection to it!
Richard

[Roy (Roy (Listener twice correct))]

@RichardG

No creature willingly dies in nature.

Refutations.

[RichardG (Richard Gillett)]

@Roy

@RichardG

No creature willingly dies in nature.

Refutations.

And there was i thinking you were going to claim a mother dying for her young. Well, near enough,

Of course Evolution has a reason for this parental suicide.

However it would fit with a man laying down his life for a friend (or family)

But you have gone off at a tangent.

Self sacrifice is rare not the norm in nature. Most deaths are forced upon rather than voluntary, and that is not what my biblical quotes were about.

The whole point is that Survival of the fittest has no moral value in Christianity.

Richard

[Roy (Roy (Listener twice correct))]

@RichardG

@Roy

@RichardG

No creature willingly dies in nature.

Refutations.

Self sacrifice is rare not the norm in nature.

‘Rare’ is not ‘non-existent’.

Admit you were wrong.

[RichardG (Richard Gillett)]

@Roy

Rare’ is not ‘non-existent’.

Admit you were wrong.

I know that
exception proves the rule
does not fit with science

But it is fine when talking in general terms

I am not wrong.

And you are being too clever for your own good, and revealing ignorance.

Richard

[Roy (Roy (Listener twice correct))]

@RichardG

@Roy

@RichardG

@Roy

@RichardG

No creature willingly dies in nature.

Refutations.

Self sacrifice is rare not the norm in nature.

‘Rare’ is not ‘non-existent’.

Admit you were wrong.

I am not wrong.

You were wrong.

[RichardG (Richard Gillett)]

@Roy

You were wrong.

There are none so blind…

And you have shown that you cannot see.

Richard

[St.Roymond]

@Roy

Refutations.

IIRC there are also instances where ants of some species will lock themselves into place for some function and just remain there, and if they die while doing that they just remain in place until the structure is dismantled.