Why don’t the most intelligent minds believe in God?

* I’m trying to understand the framework you’re using. Are you suggesting that Christianity should primarily be understood as a symbolic and spiritual tradition expressing meaning and experience, rather than as making historical and theological truth-claims about events such as miracles, the resurrection, and the identity of Jesus?

Starting with the question of why many scientists do not believe in God, I first defined the concept of God and distinguished it from other deities. You said it was a categorisation error, but I fail to see why. It is the literal interpretation of miracles and resurrection that causes the problem, as well as identifying him with God.

I came upon this when I first encountered Christianity around 45 years ago because I initially regarded the Bible as an anthology of religious inspiration, written as a narrative suggesting a continuity throughout the book. I was surprised, but also curious, to find that the Pietist Bible study group I was in took it literally as history. I accepted this interpretation for about ten years, until I found reason to doubt it.

A key milestone in this journey was when I began training to become a nurse, having already become adept at leading Bible studies and delivering occasional sermons. Nursing introduced me to a whole new outlook: first, the Catholic Church; second, evidence-based medicine; and third, working with people who are dying in a hospice setting. Many of my pious assumptions were immediately shattered by experience, but slowly I came to realise that I could still benefit from reading the Bible.

However, the biggest revelation was that the empathy and compassion I needed for my patients had to come from humility. Their needs came first, and when an elderly man at the Bible meeting criticised me for not being ‘a witness to the Word’, I realised that he lacked what I had gained. The gospel of nursing is not spread by preaching, but by love in action. I came to understand that words follow deeds, just as the Gospels described Jesus’ ministry. Words try to interpret what people saw.

* When the focus shifts toward mysticism, symbolic interpretation, Midrash-like readings, and monastic perspectives, it begins to sound less like a discussion of historical or doctrinal Christianity and more like a proposal for a different kind of spiritual movement centered on experience and interpretation.

There is something mystical about caring for dying patients that is difficult to explain to someone who hasn’t experienced it first-hand. There is an air of unspoken understanding and symbols, as well as half-spoken sentences. Some are fearful, some serene; some speak; some are quiet. It is important to understand their background, beliefs and hopes, and to react to them with reverence. I had a whole notebook of prayers and verses, like a personal breviary, which I took to the bedsides of such patients.

However, my personal experience aligns most closely with Christian mysticism, although I also feel a connection with Muslim and Jewish mysticism. I began to understand the value of rituals such as anointing, touch and whispers. I began to read the Bible as though I were reading between the lines and feeling the presence of the holy. One day, the sacraments became central, and the doctrine became secondary. A female pastor and I performed communion ceremonies for patients with dementia and were surprised by the peace they induced. Those were days of great gratification, as family members took part and later told us they hadn’t been to church in decades but were deeply moved.

Following Thomas Merton’s example during his journey through Asia at the end of his life, I reached out to Hindus, Buddhists, and Taoists to share my experience. We found that we resonated especially with the existential experience of death. We have our own devotion, but a familiar practice. That is where I am coming from.

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I believe the Gospels are describing something so very deep and intimate that the Greek or English doesn’t carry, and language is our main problem. It is always where we falter in moments when something touches us intimately or when we touch upon something existential. It is why “show don’t tell” is so important, like the song “More than Words”:

More than words is all you have to do to make it real
Then you wouldn’t have to say that you love me
'Cause I’d already know.

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More simply put: If the words that we have arise from the agenda of men who never knew the historical Jesus, I’m sure they would have been hard pressed to put it into a cultural setting that is completely compliant with the experience of the people they are speaking about. It is interpretation in the best way they knew how.

Paul was simply recalling a very ancient creed that he himself received, it’s not like he made it up.

The creed we find in 1 Cor 15 far predates even Paul’s own conversion.

Thank you for this.

My experiences as a Christian mystic have led me to the same places. I often wonder whether some of the tensions and struggles of the Church could be eased if we were able to place Jesus – the historical Jesus – within his own scientific and neurological context as a mystic of exceptional ability and humbleness.

It’s interesting to note that, according to one of Merton’s biographers (Thomas M. King), Merton himself never had an experience of God’s presence in the way a mystic experiences it, though Merton’s contemplative insights have helped many. The kind of mysticism that takes a person as close to God’s presence as a human being can go is probably rare. But I doubt Jesus could have known what he knew about God if Jesus himself hadn’t been one of those rare mystics who can walk through the liminal places where heart and mind, body and soul, past and present and future converge into a perfect sense of trust in God’s presence and eternal love.

As you’ve learned, Rob, empathy and compassion don’t come from doctrines or words. They come from the experience of human hearts that touch other human hearts through service, listening, trusting, and humbleness (the latter term being a concept I prefer to traditional religious humility). Once you’ve felt these connections – connections that transcend words – nobody can take the feelings away from you. They become a permanent part of who you are.

This is how I’ve experienced it, anyway.

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1 John 4,1-3: “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.”

I trust in God’s love and forgiveness. I don’t ask anyone else to accept my experience, but I do hope there is a willingness to be open to new ways of understanding our relationship with God, ways that involve love, forgiveness, dignity, and trust – not to mention the neurophysiological science of love, forgiveness, dignity, and trust that we can’t live without if we’re trying to understand what Jesus taught.

I respect your right to find the path to God that works best for you, and I’d hope you could find it in your heart to respect the same right for me. Thanks.

I respect you but certainly when you say that Christians should “recognize” Jesus as a mere man, however enlightened, we enter into a very problematic territory, to say the least and to use extremely euphemistic words.

And if your experience as a Christian mystic led you to that, maybe you should question the nature of said experience. Or better yet, the source. I’m not questioning your sincerity.

You have a fearful heart and it looks like you have little experience with service by which you learn humility. The test that Jesus quotes is in Matth. 25 : Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

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Thank you for your words, but I believe it is far more humble to submit to the Bible and 2000 years of Christian teaching than to elevate one’s own flawed human understanding, shaped by the spirit of the age, into the standard of truth. There is also very little humility in making assumptions about another person’s life, which is exactly what you have just done. As Jesus said, medice, cura te ipsum.

You do seem quite free, though, to believe you have the authority, knowledge, and right to imply that my experiences of God’s love and forgiveness come from an evil source.

But it’s okay. I forgive you.

I was using the Bible, which for a Christian tends to be a rather…authoritative source.

And it’s the Bible that warn Christians to test the spirits. As I said I wasn’t questioning your sincerity.

But you also have to realize that saying that Christians should ditch their own Faith in Jesus as their Lord and God and see Him as mere enlightened man might just be a little problematic. Just a little.

You need to get out more and speak with people. Books are all very well but the Bible sends you into the world. Too much study narrows the perspective and starts you worrying.

Matth. 6: 25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”

Do we have yet another ad hominem here? Or is it your overflowing humility that leads you to keep making assumptions about me and my life?

I’m not worried at all but thank you for your concern.