The major problem with Orthodox churches is that they’ve separated themselves from Peter, who alone holds “the keys of the kingdom of heaven” given to him by Jesus (Matt 16:18-19).
For that reason, I don’t believe the Orthodox represent the true Church, even though they have valid holy orders, sacraments and apostolic succession through the episcopacy,
On the other hand, scientists can perform experiments with gravity … no one can perform experiments with fish evolving into mammals, for example.
But they can predict successfully and find fossils. Maybe Chicko 
hasn’t read to you about Tiktaalik, an example of just that.
How quickly he forgets.
In case you didn’t recognize it, “I don’t think it’s going to happen in a lab any time soon” was gross understatement. It ain’t gonna happen. But don’t be even a little surprised when they isolate genetic sequences that alone or in combination with others that can radically change morphologies!
And that is comparable how?
And you really do not see this as a problem, or factor?
What it means is that evolution can never be a fact, in the real sense.
Been there,
Evolution is only a hypothesis but due to longevity it has been granted theoretical status.
But, in science a theory is considered fact if there is no conflicting scientific theory.
So evolution became a fact by scientific manipulation.
Brilliant
Richard
What is your conflicting scientific theory to evolution? It cannot be theistic evolution, because you admit that it is not science.
That is not the point. The point is that evolution is not a fact by any other understanding.
Please do.
Richard
The point is, you understand neither the science nor the philosophy.
I’m still glad you want to and should include God, but you are making the above mistakes in doing it, wanting ’poofing’ where you shouldn’t, and leaving out God’s sovereign providence where it should be admitted.
We have different perspectives. That does not give you the right to claim superiority over me. I am not making any mistakes. I have claimed that you are, so I guess we are even.
Wha I am saying, and you are not seeing is
You see God in scientific evoltion but the rest of the world does not. By claiming evolution as a fact you are shutting God out,in the eyes of anyone who cannot see God in scientific evolution
Richard
Ah yes … that old chestnut.
That’s pretty funny, and Maggie just had a streak of good luck, shutting God out. I claim her ‘lottery wins’ as fact just like I do evolution. I’m sorry you aren’t grasping God’s providence willingly.
What a compelling counterargument! Wow! 
Only in the wonderful world of evolution science can consensus turn a theory into a fact. Fascinating.
What does Tiktaalik prove?
Speaking of old chestnuts, that was vapid before the first one.
I’m not fascinated by your fascination, but it also happens in physics.
Good point, Richard. The danger is that the theory of evolution can be interpreted as “Life did not need a Creator since it’s the result of an understood natural process.” I’ve encountered several former Christians online who lost their faith precisely due to that interpretation.
I also recall a Catholic nun back in the 1970s telling us, “They lied to us. They said we were created, but we evolved” … a few years later she left her Order.
It’s interesting that the vast majority of evolutionary scientists are atheists … who want all of us to accept their theory as fact.
The late William B. Provine stated, “Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented.”
I’m fascinated that you’re not fascinated by my fascination.
No matter how desperately you want to believe it, it’s impossible for ToE to become a fact.
I agree … I will never be as intelligent and sensible as RichardG.
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