Just jumping in here to comment on various points, as I find this thread quite interesting. I’ve never really heard this perspective Mitchell, that the devil in fact did not rebel. I think we’ve all sensed and known evil - I know I have. Evil when it is stared right in the face is as chillingly opposite to God as you can get. The great red dragon was clearly not “ simply made by God to be as He is, knowing and doing what God made him to know“. That would be strange in the extreme - God creating a being that tried to overthrow him and that cast a third of his beloved angels down. Surely it wasn’t
Surely something had gone insanely wrong for this to happen. A rebellion.
Indeed, in the opinion of Christians through the centuries, it has been thought Satan was once a heavenly being - of some kind (perhaps not Lucifer as some propose - although I think he was probably Lucifer) but certainly a being who was in heaven and later cast down with his demons. The demons certainly recognised Jesus, Jesus who came from heaven, when he cast them out on earth).
Your comments in post 10 suggest that the devil was doing God’s will when he lied and tried to tempt Eve. I don’t know about that … seems pretty duplicitous of God, plus James says that God does not tempt … he tests but does not tempt - and we all know that moment when Eve took the fruit was after being tempted and lied to, deceived. Those actions can’t have been from God’s will - from a being carrying out ‘what they were meant to’. I’m not sure what theology or set of teaching that is based on but it’s pretty off.
Hmm. This is the being who charged into heaven with his host causing a massive war that Michael had to get his hands dirty in. Man and his position in the universe might be significant but not that powerful. We were made ‘a little lower than the angels’.
This comment is deserving of recognition simply for how cool it is
I gather from the rest of the thread I scanned that we are not talking about justice, brutality and the Old Testament anymore? All good, just asking.