What's Your Opinion? Views on Creation Models and Eschatology

What, that you could admit it?

Not in a million years!

I do not have binary thinking, I oppose Binary thinking,

Richard

That’s just an excuse. You have the same access that I do.

The Internet is not that easy to navigate, There is so much trash and “sponsored” content. You need to ask the right question, and that is not possible if you do not know what is available.

Some of us have better things to do than wade through Scientific ephemara.

Richard

Filler, filler.

Get thee to the library!
Or email the library!
Your local librarian can help find reliable resources.
It’s what they are for!

Sometimes all you need is to know where to look. Sometimes you will need help getting specific materials. Libraries are there to help!

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Who says it can’t be projected back down the telescope? The epistemic translation of Genesis that is an alien concept to the writer is what indicates divine inspiration for the information. Otherwise, the human claim to divine inspiration for scripture has no basis. Maintaining a literal translation of Genesis is a ‘flat earth approach’ to understanding the creation. The epistemic translation is the same form of interpretation that is used to understand God’s creation. It should also be applied to understanding God’s Word when it talks about the creation. Jesus as the messiah is an alien concept to the Hebrew people so that should not invalidate the idea.

What knowledge is that? I.e. what coherent, warranted, justified, true belief is that? How does knowledge get us to faith in the supernatural? The Hebrew Jesus, no alien, thanks to his mystical Messianic mother, clothed himself in that myth and ran with it.

Perhaps you have the time to spend in libraries or on research?

I do not consider science a worthwhile drain on my time, especially Evolution.

I am about 40 years behind on genetics, likewise cataloging of identifying fossils, however I have a more than basic knowlledge of other areas of Biology that seems has not gone out of date.

It is the macro world where the result of evolution are found, but the link between tthat and the microspoic research is tenuous at best. In philosophcal terms they are trying to run before they can walk. Mapping and understanding are not synonimous.

Richard

That claim is either wrong or I did not understand what you meant.

The Hebrews two millennium ago waited for a Messiah that would fulfill the prophecies in the biblical scriptures. Most of the believing Jews still wait.

The obstacle in accepting that Yeshua (Jesus) is the Messiah is that the prophecies and promises in the scriptures were interpreted in a different way than how the followers of Yeshua interpret them. There are passages about a suffering Messiah and passages about Messiah as a victorious king. The Jews wanted a victorious king that would drive the Romans and other pagans away from Israel, so they downplayed the passages telling about a suffering Messiah and expected that the Messiah would be a victorious warrior that wins the enemies in fights and establishes a visible Kingdom of Israel.
Another problem was the claim of the Messiah being the Son of Man who sits on the right side of the Most High. That would have been more than the Jews expected and could understand.

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I am a librarian.

You lamented not having access to information. There is a worldwide network of professionals whose calling and passion is to find and provide access to information.

Regarding time, Raganathan’s 4th Law states: Save the time of the reader.

Perhaps you don’t want access after all or the help of professionals who can save you time.

But if this is the case, then why lament over the junk on the Internet?

Why not just say, “I really can’t be bothered to learn the basics of the stuff I argue passionately and regularly about.”

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:smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

Well it maes a change from being a sceintist or working with science.

I am not belittleing or ignoring the services you are involved in, so please do not take offence. I have spent many an hour in libraires in my younger days when learning and research was essential.

This forum seems to have a high opinion of itself, or at least the participants do.(I do not wish to critcise the founders or organisers in this regard) I hae never come across a platform where things are taken so seriously and or personally. I am sory, but I do not share this view of status or need to be right.
If only people could see themsleves from a distance they might realise the entertainment they are inadvertantly providing. (For people like me)
Having said that I also find it depressing in human terms. I am told Muslims do not approve of humour because someone is nearly always at the wrong end of it and that is almost certainly true in this case.
I am not here to learn. I am not here to teach. I am not hre to show off my knowledge (or lack of). That is not to say that I do not learn, but what I learn may not be what people think they are teaching.

I have said it before and will say it again. Evolution is not that important. It is a hobby horse of mine, and this forum does quite well in scratching that itch.

Richard

Perhaps you think the link between the macroscopic and microscopic world is tenuous at best because you are 40 years behind in genetics?

A google search for “basics of genetics” should find you any number of websites aimed at people just like yourself. The one linked below seems to be a good resource:

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How do you determine merit?

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Not from what I have seen from you (et al), No.

Just in case you missed (Or couldn’t be bothered reading)

Richard

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You crease me up

You didn’t check out Evolutionary Developmental Biology?

https://www.nature.com/subjects/evolutionary-developmental-biology

So you think you can lecture working molecular biologists on genetics even though you admit your knowledge is 40 years out of date, and was probably a basic undergrad class at most. Is that correct?

I yes, I forgot. You are here just to lecture people and not learn anything.

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Like I said, you do not read what I write. i couldn’t be more explicit.

Covered that already.

Whtether it exists or not, it has not changed your understanding of macro Biology

But you ignored that as welll, I guess.

Obviouslly not.

You crease me u by trying to redeifine, or change the meaning of wrds so that you can ignore me.

I doubt that “Of Merit” has changed its meaning in years but then , what is of merit to you may not match what is of merit to others. If it is not in scientific methodology you automatically dismiss it, whether I say it or the BBC does.

Richard

Yes, you could not be more explicit.

“I am not here to learn.”–RichardG

How did you determine this?

“Whtether it exists or not, it has not changed your understanding of macro Biology”–RichardG

“I am not hear to learn.”–RichardG

That’s why I asked you how you determine merit. You also don’t understand what I find merit in, but that doesn’t stop you from lecturing me. You seem to have a pretty high opinion of yourself.

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Sorry, that is you looking in a mirror.

Have I upset you not wnating to take advantage of your vast knowledge?

Never mind.

One day you will understand that there is more to this life than knowledge.

Knowledge tells me a tomaoto is a fruit.
Wisodm (and common sense) tells me not to put a tomato in a fruit salad.

A scientist would not agree with that. A fruit is a fruit!

By your logic, that one example proves the futility of trying to make a fruit Salad. It cant work. Tomatoes prove it.

That is the difference between us.

Your knowledge is useless without application.

Richard

I think your posts says a lot more about you than I ever could. Thank you.

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