No, you have invented the notion that only material and efficient causes are real. This is just uncritical, enlightenment driftwood. This is not some universal default position. You have to demonstrate that. I have given you several examples of what I mean (e.g. heart, eye, etc and then extended things to human nature and so on). We are about 100 response into an argument and it seems to me that just now you have gotten around to commenting on what I have repeatedly said was the basis of objective morality. This is aimless babble. I have shown you a completely objective moral system.
Yes, exactly what I said. You invent, you don’t find. You make it up. Inventing is not the same as finding. You cant find things that don’t exist. Those are inventions. And I seek truth, not falsehoods that comfort me. Your worldview makes for an excellent blind faith.
Incredulity is not an argument. We base our morality on objective human nature. That is like asking me why we wouldn’t base mathematics or science on emotion. Our wants as individual humans do not always correspond to what is moral. Try again.
Which is exactly what your invented subjective moral system is. A delusion to help you cope with the fact that humans are moral but your worldview precludes genuine morality.
I have already shown repeatedly with a number of examples when you identify the telos of something, you know its ends or purpose. You deny telos. I deny your your made up moral system for the fiction that it is. You define good as that which agrees with you. That is not a rational position to adopt.
If God was known to not exist, I would not believe in God. I would not make up a God to comfort me. That is how your ethical system works. And I certainly wouldn’t claim a knowingly made up deity is how every other God in the whole universe should work. I also wouldn’t assert that every invented religion was only capable of progress if it became like mine (this is exactly what you have articulated and have agreed with when called out on it).
The truth is, @T_aquaticus, you are actually far more “religious” than me.
Vinnie