Okay, Patrick. I concede that point… using your assumptions.
In my mind’s eye, I was imagining finding a pattern of COW bones
intermingled amongst the dinosaurs.
In any case – it’s never going to happen. Mammals can’t be found amongst the dinosaurs
because large mammals didn’t yet exist.
George
Because it DIDN’T happen. The past happened. There is a very good understanding of what species of mammals lived where and when, what they ate, how they lived, their size with time, and what species split and evolved into. The mammalian tree is very clear. The same can be said of the dinosaur tree.
The shark was clearly under water,It was using it’s fins to push its self,but to get me to believe that it is actually a walking shark,I do NOT believe because in the second part of the video he was swimming! and NOT walking! I believe evolutionist “read” too much into too little!
To believe in Evolution when in fact we see NO evolution around us is illogical indeed. God could have simply spoken and everything we see came exactly as we see it now! in my opinion to disagree with the Bible is wrong indeed. For instance what was a cow before it was a modern day cow we see in the fields in the country? their should be a form of something that looks somewhat like a cow but not quite.Then you have something a little les like a modern cow we have today and so it should go less and less like a cow we see today. But we can only go so far back and what we see in the fossils still looks exactly like a cow we have today! in other words their should be more intermediate types between what we see today and what a cow was in the very beginning for evolution to be true! and we do NOT see it!
Hey Martin.
You seem to say a lot of opinions. If you disagree with what is being said here, then why not show evidence, or point to some scientific papers about it. You seem more interested in simply saying, “That sounds ridiculous, I don’t believe it!” … That’s what my mentality used to be. But then I realized I was only mocking something that I didn’t understand. And all my opinions were from people who didn’t believe in evolution … So how could I understand it, when it’s being explained by other people, who don’t agree with it passionately? Not only that, but more often than not, explained by a person who had no knowledge of the specific field of study in question. Why should a pastor be qualitified to critize geology, and yet not be familiar with geology? It’d be no different than an atheists critizing the whole of Christianity based on a few verses out of context.
You say evolution isn’t happening. According to Darwin, evolution is “descent with modification”… You’re a combination of the genes from your mom and your dad (though Darwin didn’t know about genes). According to the classical Creationist Model all sorts of evolution takes place actually … And quite speedily too! Are you aware that all domestic dogs, wolves, coyotes and foxes are all descended from a single generic dog pair, 4,500 years ago, according to Ken Ham’s model? Or that camels and llamas came from the same generic kind, 4,500 years ago?
I feel like your assertions are more passionate … But have you actually thought threw what the Creationist Model proposes, according to the major proponents of YEC?
Since this is a largely a Christian site, most people would not agree with you that we think the Bible is wrong. Rather it was used to say something it was never meant to say. For instance … Are you aware that on each creation day there was an evening and a morning? Yet the sun and moon did not come into existence until Day 4. How do you explain what evening and morning mean in theses passages, in a coherent fashion? On Day 4, the text says that the purpose of the “great lights - aka sun and moon”. Yet as can be seen, there was no sun and moon for three days … How were those “days” being measured? The definition of day is not 24 hours. Rather it is the time it takes for the sun to go in a full circuit around the earth … So the first three “days” if we interpret literally is logically inconsistent with the typical usage of the word day. On Day 1 God separates the light from the darkness … Yet on Day 4, God created the Great Lights TO separate the light from the darkness. Might I ask what the purpose of separation light from darkness twice would be? Did God make a mistake the first time around? Are we to take “evening and morning” the first three times “figuratively” and the last three days “literally”; and also the seventh day, why is there no evening and morning? If you want to take all these passage as super literal, in the scientific sense, then you have the uncomfortable admission that the phrase “evening and morning” adds no clarity of meaning of the text. But there is hope. We could interpret these days as literary devices like Augustine did in the 4th century. Or we could treat these days, “on a different level of existence” as the Jews did in the 5th century, when they removed the Six Days from their calendar. And all before modern science came along … Hmm.
You said God could have created creatures fully formed … And I don’t think any Christian would disagree with you. But is that what He did? At the very least He took 6 days… Soooo that’s already a problem for an instantaneous model. Second, the Bible also says the he makes and forms babies in the womb… Why doesn’t God just poof people into existence instead of take 9 months in preparation? Third, the Bible also says that he creates rain, create lightning and create snow. The first is a process called the Hyrological Cycle (which is pretty accurately described in Job). The text implicitly says that God causes this to happen … And yet simultaneously we can scientifically study this phenomenon and also predict it’s behavior to a certain degree of accuracy (meteorology). Are we to conclude that God is no longer acting because we can study it? Lightning and snow can both be recreated in the lab — both of which aren’t instantaneous events. Does that mean that God is no longer acting, or is something deeper going on in the text? Maybe the distinction we make between Gods “natural involvement” and “supernatural involvement” is an artificial distinction that is not supported by the biblical text. Also on Day 3 it says, “And God said let the earth call forth vegetation” “And the earth brought forth vegetation” <<< there is nothing instantaneous in this action. It says that the vegetation “grew”, not that God snapped his fingers and there was a fully formed plant. Notice also what is doing the creating? The earth is doing the creating … But God gave the command.
-Tim
You are very correct about what you say! evening and morning being the first day. i have wondered greatly about those words. How ever if you are incorrect about your assumptions and God the judge does indeed exist and hell exist and heaven exist! and just somehow when you die you find out that if you deny God you will be sorry. If i have a choice of the Bible what God says and evolution what man says! After reading the Bible I will believe what it says because i do NOT have enough faith to believe that man is correct! If I Die and find out the Bible is NOT true ,no big deal,but if I die and find out that man and his belief in evolution is not true! It will be a BIG DEAL indeed! And so far I have very little faith in man!
Who taught you these falsehoods? The chain of intermediate forms for, say, HORSES is EXQUISITELY
known! Notice the transitional forms as shown in the construction of the hooves … the skull… and
the increasing size of these intermediate forms.
And if you don’t like horses… we have intermediate forms for whales… and for birds (of course)…
and so on.
And the amazing thing is when we peel the “onion layers” of ancient rock…
These animals make their successive presence known … millions of years (as proved by geology)
after all the Dinosaurs have perished.
This would not be possible … even if Dinosaurs existed to all DIE in the Flood! Horses did
not suddenly appear out of the nowhere some 3000 years ago.
George
If you read other sources alot of these types have been discredited!
Creationist researchers have discredited many of these types!
You are stalwart believer! - - but you shouldn’t believe
everything presented from the pulpit of your church.
Did you know that in the 1800’s, there was a resurgent
wave of Flat Earth theology? Even despite all the mathematical,
celestial and geographic evidences … there were STILL people
who insisted the earth was “round like a table” instead of
“round like an apple”.
All this brilliant erudition … for an idea that anyone in
Queen Victoria’s court could have seen was total B.S.
That a look at this:
http://www.earthlyhappenings.com/2009/06/where-do-modern-cows-come-from.html
Also, how doe one explain the splint bones, chestnuts and ergots on modern, living horses, except as vestiges of evolution?
You don’t believe in Evolution, you either accept it as fact or you don’t. Either way evolution remains the way in which biological life works on Earth for the past 4 billion years. Nature doesn’t care what you believe.
@Martin, I’m going to mention right up front that I am not fluent in much of this technical genetic terminology
in this article … but I thought you and others would be interested to see that cattle-like “Ungulates” and
the unusual ‘hippotomi’ are actually part of the SAME genetic world - - and contribute to the genetic
“intermediate versions” trail that goes right to one of the more dramatic innovations of the
mammalian world: Whales!
George
CORRECTION: I think I’m wrong about Rhino’s … I should have put the name of something with antlers there.
Sorry about that.
Martin — I don’t think that salvation rises and falls on your particular interpretation of Creation, do you? If I die and I’m wrong about how creation went down, then I was wrong. If you die and YOUR assumptions were wrong about Creation, do you think God will hold it against you? I don’t think so. Nor is that what the Scriptures say. There is nothing in the Bible that declares creation doctrine clarity being perfectly understood in the scientific sense is essential to being a Christian.
I imagine that ALL of us will be surprised how Creation went down when we die. Gods amazing Creation is too great to be completely described in a single chapter anyway … Don’t you think? As it says in the Gospel, “These are not all the actions of Jesus Christ. And I suppose if the were then all the libraries in the world could not contain it!” <<<< I believe this is the same with Creation.
I’m not sure how you jumped from different views on Creation to somehow denial of God’s very existence. Was there anything at all in my statement that implied I didn’t believe in God?
I believe you have a false notion of “man’s words” and “God’s word”. God wrote Two Books: His Word (the Bible) and His Works (Nature). Both of these books can be misinterpreted … So when you say “mans word” you’re assuming that YOUR interpretation of Scripture is God’s Word… When in reality both of us are fallible interpreters. If there’s any contradiction between God’s Word and God’s Works then logically one of them isn’t being interpreted correctly … You have to realize that either one of us could be wrong and to say I’m arguing against God himself is a false dichotomy.
Also it feels like a lot of my words were wasted. I took the time to write a lengthy reply and yet you only respond to little snippets of my conversation. You say you don’t have enough faith to believe in evolution … As a Christian I think it’s our duty to investigate a matter honestly and openly, even if it’s something uncomfortable “Test everything; hold fast to that which is good.” I believe that we shouldn’t just believe verbatim everything that’s been told us, whether it’s a friend or a pastor or whoever, just because we like what they teach, “The simple believeth every word, but the prudent looketh well to his going.”
-Tim
Not me. I won’t be surprised at all as I will not be alive. 
Ok ,now what came before that cow? something had to! and it looks a lot like the cows and bulls we have today,not much if any difference.Keep going back a few more types of cows will you? You will soon figure out that they all begin end in what we have now!
This worm started it all!
Where are the intermittent types? between man and worm? with out those in between links you have no connection ONLY THE WORDS SCIENTIST have said! Do you think a scientist would intentionally lie to us or deceive us?? I most certainly do!
Also I hear stuff like this and look for the answer to it on creation web sites and when I find them they make the case and it is opposite than that of the pro-evolutionist view point and a lot more scientific! I looked up fish bladders and the evolutionist said they were fore-runners to lungs,but creationist scientist says that is NOT true,they are used to help the fish swim and fish STILL have them today! to help them swim!
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