The Fall of Historical Adam, (Federal Head of man), impacts all of humanity to need Christ's Salvation

[jammycakes (James McKay)]

@adamjedgar

of course, however, the entire point of my post was in direct contrast to your view (and others who follow TEism) that it is YEC who are telling lies…YEC who manipulate the truth…YEC are turning people away from God.

The truth is, the claims YEC are dishonest are ignoring the evidence provided showing that secularism is even worse.

Adam, the rules of science, measurement, evidence and honesty that I am referring to have nothing whatsoever to do with secularism. There is nothing atheistic whatsoever about them. They are rules that apply to Christians and atheists alike, that apply whether miracles are a thing or not, that apply however old the Earth is and whoever or whatever did or did not evolve from what. They are rules that we should all be able to agree on if we’re committed to honesty, YECs, OECs and ECs alike. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: if YECs don’t want to be accused of telling lies, manipulating the truth, and turning people away from God, then they need to stick to them.

@adamjedgar

Its also deeply worrying to see Christians who follow atheist interpretations make the claim Christians who go searching for evidence that support the bible are liars!

I don’t have any objections to Christians searching for evidence that supports the Bible (which has a capital B, by the way). I don’t even have any objections to Christians searching for evidence that supports some sort of small-b bible that is basically a cartoon caricature of the capital-B Bible with a thick layer of science fiction slathered on top of it. What I object to is them claiming to have found evidence when they have not, or claiming that evidence supports them when it does not, or claiming that evidence does not exist when it does, or demanding that we lower our standards of rigour and quality control in order to accommodate their arguments.

I’m pretty sure that you, as a YEC, would get upset if someone started claiming that mermaids were evidence for a young earth, wouldn’t you? What I’m doing is no different. Claiming that radiocarbon in diamonds is evidence for a young earth when the levels are too low to rule out contamination is exactly the same thing as claiming that mermaids are evidence for a young earth, only with a bit more sophistry.

@adamjedgar

Personally i think that in being YEC i stay true to the the statement of the prophet Samuel to king Saul…he produced a very specific line in the sand

“to obey is better than to sacrifice”

Yes Adam, to obey is better than to sacrifice. But to obey means that you obey this as well:

¹³ Do not have two differing weights in your bag—one heavy, one light. ¹⁴ Do not have two differing measures in your house—one large, one small. ¹⁵ You must have accurate and honest weights and measures, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you. ¹⁶ For the Lord your God detests anyone who does these things, anyone who deals dishonestly. — Deuteronomy 25:13-16

If you think that demanding that the Bible’s demands for accurate and honest measurement be upheld is “following some sort of atheist interpretation” then I’m sorry, but you’re effectively demanding the right to tell lies.