The Creation Week: A Systems-Based Approach

@Shannon from something I just wrote inspired by this thread. After some preliminary definitions I ended up here:

Is Genesis True?
I believe Genesis 1 is a wonderfully true story in what it teaches about the form and function of the world and the nature of God. I do not view its literary genre as history though. It is much closer to ancient poetry and part of its purpose is in correcting the mistaken mythologies of Israel’s neighbors and exalting the one true God in a time when polytheism was the norm. The story is from a pre-scientific era and has no modern interest in the scientific age of the earth. It cannot resolve the 24 hour vs epoch debate because it has no knowledge of it. It doesn’t care about it. If you look closely at it a very discernable pattern emerges. The events on days 1 and 4, 2 and 5 and 3 and 6 all correspond very well with one another. On day one light is created, on day four the sun and moon. On day two the waters above and below are separated and on day four fish and birds are created creatures below and above. Day three separates the dry land from the water and naturally land creatures arrive on day six. Days 1-3 are concerned with setting up what happens on days 4-6. The order and function of the world is due to God’s purpose and careful planning. That is the point intended here. A point I absolutely affirm as 100% true.

Genesis 1 also establishes God’s primacy and expresses Jewish monotheism. When we read it in light of other Ancient Mesopotamian creation stories, it plainly tells us God has no rivals, no prior lineage, there is a monopoly on power and only one true God. Unlike in the Atrahasis epic, God doesn’t need a discussion amongst peers or the approval of anyone to create human beings. Unlike in the Enuma Elish, we weren’t created after he proved himself defeating Tiamat the sea goddess in some cosmic struggle and gained the renown of the other gods. The sea monsters in Genesis 1:22 are just another part of God’s good creation.

There is no conflict mythology in Genesis because the author is plainly telling us God cannot gain what he never lacked and there has never been a challenger worthy of Him. A rise in power is not possible for one who has never not been in power. Bill Arnold writes of Genesis, “Israel’s God has no rivals. There can be no struggle with forces opposed to his actions or corresponding to his power. There can be no victory enthronement motif because God’s victory was never in doubt; rather, God has never not been enthroned. There can be no enthronement portrait here because God has not become sovereign; he has simply never been less than sovereign.”

In its original context, the audience of Genesis 1 would have been aware of many features of Egyptian, Assyrian and Babylonian mythology. The absence of conflict mythology or an origin story for God would have clearly stood out to ancient readers and hearers of this story. Genesis tells us a great deal simply by not including these elements and comparing how it differs from other creation stories. It is in this context that Genesis 1 must be read and understood. From within this interpretive matrix, a clear statement of Jewish monotheism and the sovereignty of the Biblical God is given. That is the primary purpose of the first creation story bar none. I absolutely affirm Genesis is 100% correct on this point.

Genesis 1 is also an etiology for the sabbath and for that reason we probably should
understand the “days” therein generally in the context of a human week. Etiologies were extremely common in antiquity and in the Bible itself. Since scripture is accommodated and does not intend to teach us science, and the form and function of the narrative in Genesis is clearly designed to teach theological truths to ancient audiences who would have understood these cultural references, there is no need to fuss over this. Genesis 1 is not interested in “twenty four hour periods” vs “long epochs.” That is a modern issue not at all relevant thousands of years ago. Just as one should not seek to learn quantum mechanics from a poetry text, this is imposing the wrong question on Genesis which explains the patterns and regularities of the observed world in terms of God’s creative work.

So why the days? What is the author telling us besides what was delineated above? Genesis is expressing the importance of honoring the sabbath which is tied into the created order. Rather than worrying about the length of the days in Genesis and asking it questions to which it never intended to provide answers to, questions which are ultimately meaningless given its more poetic genre, we should be pointing out to our fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord that the importance of the Sabbath is as plainly taught as is Jewish monotheism or that humans were the climax of God’s creative work. Fussing over the meaning of “days” in Genesis might also allow us to conveniently neglect an important issue facing the Church today, why so many Christians no longer spend the sabbath devoted to honoring God. We certainly have no issues honoring capitalism on Sundays.

Why I Embrace Wooden Literalism when reading Genesis 1
Despite the fear of being accused of having a sensationalistic or clickbait-like title, as it turns out I feel I am a bit of a wooden-literalist when it comes to Genesis 1. I believe what the account is teaching us is absolutely true as written in its original context to its original audience based on how they would have understood it. However, I am not a Biblical concordist because I do believe Genesis 1 teaches us theological truth though some ancient cosmogony that we now know to be incorrect. For example, it assumes there is a solid firmament in the sky while teaching us about God’s care and providence in establishing the form and function of the natural world. To summarize what we learned of Genesis 1:

  • It has zero interest in 24 hours vs long epochs.
  • There is only one God (thus flouting polytheism which was the norm)
  • God is sovereign. God alone has all the power and no rivals.
  • God has always been sovereign and has never had rivals (no conflict mythology)
  • The created order is due to God’s foresight and planning.
  • Humans are the climax of God’s creation and given dominion over it as stewards.
  • The Sabbath is of such immense importance to God that it is tied into the created order.

Vinnie

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You mean The Heresy of Peor isn’t a disgusting just-so-story?! It’s true!? God is a self-righteous murdering psychopath? The Flood??!? Only exceeded by the billions yet to die in the Seven of Trumps.

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Shannon,

You obviously realize that relying on a late bronze age text - representing mid-bronze range conceptions for accurate cosmology is…well…:confounded: Why not rely on them for accurate medical advice as well, a full understanding of electricity, etc.

Why not come to grip with a very God honoring notion that the text represented the reality that they understood at that time. Period.

As alternative explanations, I am certain you are easily able to understand that it is not an either-or situation. FURTHER it may be that we simply do not have a clue how all this was manifested - or how a supra-natural entity may have intervened and to what extent. Certainly we do not see such entity’s overt interaction in the natural world at present - but “He” pretty much lets it all ride out - unless, it appears, He has a specific purpose…

I am pretty good with “I do not know” - an infinite universe is far greater than I - or, really, any human mind can comprehend - even more so a seemingly infinite entity - especially one not routinely available to the senses…

Just trying to keep it real - which is the greatest way to honor God in Christ.

Best,

Greg

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Vinnie,

Just to keep it real - it DOES appear that there is a discussion among peers in a couple instances in these chapters - and certainly we see this sort of pantheon described in say Rev 4.

I would suggest that bronze age Jewish theology very much mirrored surrounding cultures - the more we have an opportunity to become familiar with them - along with a lot of later “cleansing” of the text and concepts… Yet we see all sorts of Canaanite theological elements throughout the text - Rev 4 not being the least…
:slightly_smiling_face:
Best,

Greg

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Klax - I am buying your take - and letting the “Creator” being the Creator - instead of “evangelically” neatly defining him into the system of one’s own ego.

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Evangelicals who do are in the fine Abrahamic tradition of doing so. Even Jesus bought it.

More likely Iron Age, I’d say.

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Hello Shannon,

Haven’t seen you here before. Welcome!

In what language did God reveal the Torah, Shannon?

Also, have you ever worked as a translator between any two languages? Have you studied linguistics? You seem awfully confident that you are 100% without question right and that everyone who disagrees with you is a false teacher infiltrating the church. I’m wondering what experiences and training you possess to be able to reach such a conclusion.

Your approach to Scripture is very reminiscent of the approach Cardinal Bellarmine took in the early 17th century.

Best,
Chris Falter

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Are you checking out my qualifications? I am born again of the Spirit of God. I use the Bible with the inspiration of the Spirit of Truth that God inspired ministering His faith to me.

In order to tell one who is a false teacher, we have the scriptures to make that determination. Do you use the Bible as the source for truth? Or, do you use another book? Do you disagree with the scriptures warning of false teachers?

We are to use the scriptures to test the teachings of anyone who is teaching or claiming to be a teacher of the Word.

Acts 17:10

In Berea

As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue.

Acts 17:11

Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

Acts 17:12

As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.

Acts 17:13

But when the Jews in Thessalonica learned that Paul was preaching the word of God at Berea, some of them went there too, agitating the crowds and stirring them up.

Acts 17:14

The believers immediately sent Paul to the coast, but Silas and Timothy stayed at Berea.

17:11-12.

The Berean Jews were of more noble character than the Thessalonians. They welcomed Paul’s message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. This differed from the Jews in Thessalonica only some of whom believed (v. 4), whereas most of them were jealous of Paul and stirred up trouble. The Bereans’ interest in the Word resulted in many conversions of both Jews and Greeks. Interestingly prominent … women in both Thessalonica and Berea received Christ (vv. 4, 12).

You think a person who studies languages is the qualifier for one to teach the word of God? Not all are called by God to teach. We cannot have different interpretations of the Word. God is not the author of confusion.

God gave pastor/teachers to the body of Christ

Ephesians 4:10

He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)

Ephesians 4:11

So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,

Ephesians 4:12

to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up

Ephesians 4:13

until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

Ephesians 4:14

Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.

Ephesians 4:15

Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ.

Acts 19:8

Paul entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, arguing persuasively about the kingdom of God.

Acts 19:9

But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the lecture hall of Tyrannus.

There must be division, 1Cor 11:19, 1Jn 2:19

Matt 10:34-38

“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. “For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.

“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. “And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

We try to make sense in the human of the separation and division of families but it is by the Spirit of Christ.

Is the division of families because of money or is it personalities? No, it is spiritual.

“There are supposed to be divisions in the church. 1 Corinthians 11:19, Paul said that there must be division so that those who are approved of God might be made manifest. The other text is by John in 1 John 2:19. John says, “they went out from us because they were not of us. Had they been of us they would not have gone out from us but because they went out from us God is manifesting that they are not of God.” So there’s division.” Pastor Bill Klein

What is the motivation for your responding to me? There is obviously a difference in our theology.

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How do you know that, Shannon? I just asked you some questions about text translation.

So here’s what I believe about the Bible:

נר־לרגלי דברך ואור לנתיבתי

I believe that with all my heart. Do you?

Grace and peace,
Chris

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Different interpretations have been around since scripture was first written. Jesus alluded to it in his “You have heard it said…” statements.Jewish midrash is extensive. I tend to feel that scripture is like an onion, only you start from the middle with a little understanding and that expands in layers to the greater truth. If your understanding of scripture never changes, you remain drinking milk, and never progressing to solid food. Certainly, I agree, more than you know, with you that we need to avoid false teachers,

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One could reasonably observe that one of the major preoccupations of Biologos here is … helping people recognize and deal with false teachings.

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I like the song, too. (In English, since 1984. ; - )

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But is the Bible the only source of truth?

When you read the Bible in English you have added another source of truth, the scholarship of the people making the translation.

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It also echoes Bonhoeffer (please bear with me, those who have seen it these several times ; - )
 

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Chris:
You’ve written in Hebrew. This is my point. I’ve written in English so those who read English can understand. Do you believe if one can read the Hebrew this means they are more spiritual than those who don’t? Does knowing the Hebrew language mean one is born again and qualified to teach the Word of God? Unless one is born of His Spirit and called to teach the Word of God they are disqualified.
Remember the RCC priests teaching only in the Latin language. Until Martin Luther called into question and exposed the many lies of what they were teaching, most were believing their words without question, believing good works is what saves the sinner instead of repenting of the sin. For instance, RCC teaches articles of faith are found only through the RCC. Another example is the RCC claims IT alone is the source of revelation of God’s Word.
You see, as Peter and Paul warned there would be many false teachers… A false Christianity has crept into the Church.
Leaving off the truth of the Word of God and straying into outside sources is much of the reason why there are a multitude of choices of denominations and cults, many of which call themselves “Christians”. It would seem everyone has their own definition and opinion of what is a “Christian”.

It’s Psalm 119:105

…is one that insists that Genesis is a science textbook and falsely ties science nonsense to soteriology. It defames God, by the way – what is the first petition in the Lord’s Prayer?

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As do you. But only you and those who agree with you are correct. Because you are led by the Holy Spirit™ and you have an exclusive licensing agreement.

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The very definition of a ‘day’ requires the sun. How can you have morning and evening without the sun, which wasnt created until the 4th day? A normal day is the time for one rotation of the earth in the light of the sun, thus producing daytime and night time, ie morning and evening. So how can the first 3 ‘days’ be normal days?

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