"Scientific Skepticism": Is there such a thing; and if so, what does it look like?

As a Christian who praises God for his sovereignty over time and space, timing and placing, I am saying that. (We could talk about God’s omnitemporality, but that is for another time and place. ; - )

No, because that is what the science says. It is no more secular than plumbing is secular. God’s direction is invisible to science whether the scientist is Christian or not. Can you tell if a Christian plumber or an unbelieving one plumbed where you work or live? (Hopefully either way, they did a good job. ; - )

Not all ECs believe that. Not all believe in God’s sovereignty as much as I do. Some might think that God ‘let go’ and ‘waited’ (a time-based word that I argue does not apply to our omnitemporal God), and waited to see what he had to work with, or something to that effect, maybe with variations. So my choice of moniker you will have noted is ‘evolutionary providentialist’.

Not from the science… not from the plumbing. There is no such thing as the secular evolutionary view with respect to the actual science. It’s the plumbing.

There is no such thing as the secular evolutionary community, it’s the plumbing. Christians and unbelievers work side by side in the sciences and do the same work with the same evidence. How can it be different?! They also draw the same scientific conclusions. It’s how the plumbing works.

Let me try and elaborate on that a little. The plumber can be a Christian or an unbeliever, but the copper, and the atoms in the Schedule 40 or 80 PVC pipe, the atoms in the PEX and so on – all the basic materials are the same for either one, right? Likewise with science, all the basic material to work with is the same for either scientist.

I reject undirected evolution as a Christian who believes in God’s providence, and of which I’ve been privileged to see quite a bit of in my years (I’ve been saying that I’m in my early to mid-geezerhood. :grin:) But science is not going to prove the existence of providence. I believe there is very good empirical (as in factual) evidence for it, but one of my newest favorite quotes is this:

The grounds of [true] belief in God is the experience of God: God is not the conclusion of an argument but the subject of an experience report.

Roy Clouser

I have experienced God’s providential interventions into my life, but he hasn’t needed to break any of the natural laws he has instituted. Some may consider this sacrilegious, but think about it: Jesus didn’t have to break any natural laws to calm the storm on Galilee. A man in a boat said something during a storm. The storm just happened to stop. (Also note: “And it became completely calm.” So the disciples had to row all the rest of the way, demonstrating that it is better to believe, not be afraid, and trust God. :grin:)

So yes, providential interventions and ‘directed evolution’ are ‘supernatural intrusions’ into natural processes. But they are not scientifically detectable because no natural laws have been broken. And YECs seem to universally ignore this:

This is what the LORD says: If I have not established my covenant with the day and the night and the fixed laws of heaven and earth…

Jeremiah 33:25

Thank you. I appreciate that.