My ventured answer: … because the Chronicles then vouch for our inability to glean the needed insights from Kings alone.
I swear, George, you remind me of my brasher self who, after getting a different answer to a math problem than all the rest of the world asks incredulously, “how could all of you get it wrong?” “oh wait – maybe the mistake is mine. Maybe. I’ll check again.”
Invitation accepted!
The new thread is here:
I think a better example would be someone who argues with himself about being right or wrong. I didn’t write Chronicles. But if God did, then Inerrancy doesn’t seem to be something God worries about …
Not the sort of “inerrancy” that is on your terms anyway.
Okay, I’ll bite.
What kind of Inerrancy survives Chronicles?
[Since @jpm has moved the tail of this mini-discussion to the Chronicles thread, no further response here is needed for my question. Nice work @jpm!]
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The Flood Geology model does not necessarily predict that everything should be randomly distributed throughout all the strata. The Flood, though catastrophic in that it wiped out all life, doesn’t have to be seen as maximally catastrophic (i.e., everything randomly mixed). People right now are working on models of hydraulic sorting and models of the order of catastrophic events that constituted the Flood Year. Give them time, just like evolutionists needed time to find the tons of transitional forms that should be there.
Common. Why must we keep citing this lie:
And even YEC are supposedly fine with them now (after realizing holy cow we have loads):
And John, I would be fascinated with what the Flood crowd comes up with.
But the one thing that I’ve never read any convincing response regarding is:
Nor have we found any evidence that whales hunted dinosaurs or vice versa.
And if most of humanity drowned, along with thousands of Elephants, Tigers, T-Rexes and Brontosaurs … then we would expect to either find humans mixed in with T-Rexes and Brontosaurs, or T-Rexes and Brontosaurs mixed in with Elephants and Tigers.
Instead, what we find is that in the middle of the fossil stack, suddenly dinosaurs disappear (including the marine forms) and suddenly the larger mammals start to appear (but not yet whales). And then finally proto-whales and whales are found fossilized.
There isn’t a flood around that can be that precise and that specific.
Why would you expect them to be drowned together? In addition to the Flood doing the sorting, the animals would sort themselves by their varying ability to deal with rising muddy floodwaters
So large land mammals and whales had a similar ability to handle rising Flood waters, while large land dinosaurs and (aquatic) mosasaurs were also similar in their ability, which was very different from that of mammals. In other words, bison could handle Flood waters much better than reptiles that lived in the ocean. Is that really the argument?
I haven’t constructed an argument. Sorry, don’t have time to pursue this as a hobby, much less a career
I don’t expect them to drown together…i expect them to at least drown mixed up… not a completely distinct hierarchy of death in order of phylogeny.
Hmm, I see Tiktaalik and Pakicetus in the video. Why not put in Piltdown Man and Nebraska Man?
Because the scientific community, using the scientific method, discovered they were frauds.
There have been frauds in support of the YEC position, too. In a very prominent YEC book published in the 70s, I saw supposed pictures of human and dinosaur footprints together in Paluxy, TX. Exciting stuff! Except the dinosaur tracks were a hoax, and the human tracks were just odd erosional markings. I trusted the book’s author, who went forward with his claims even though the scientific community had long before shown them to be a nothing-burger.
Well, no, I wouldn’t expect you to. What’s more interesting is that no one else has constructed a detailed explanation about fossils based on the Flood, and that includes people who do indeed do that sort of thing for a living. That’s because Flood geology and conventional geology are doing different things. Flood geology exists as an exercise in apologetics: its goal is to defend a belief. Conventional geology exists to understand the history of the earth.
This is precisely the impossible comparison being implied … and while I forgot to actually state the dilemma, @glipsnort remembered to make it!!!
I salute you @glipsnort !
Let me try to understand your thinking here…
Feel free to edit the Wikipedia entries with real information then, or petition x, y or z to do so:
Unless maybe of course you’ve been lied to by Christians who do presuppositional science where you come to a conclusion first and twist data to match your interpretation of a 2000 year old book. Note: if any scientists pulls this nonsense, he will be found out like the two fake fossils you cited above.
Just for fun:
Just trying to help you with your PR. Whoever made that video should scrub from it the dubious entries.
What dubious entries? I believe that was the point Matthew was making. Tiktaalik and Pakicetus are only “dubious” in the minds of Creationists who can’t stomach the idea that very nice examples of “transitional forms” exist.
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