Off-topic spin-off thread: Wookin's ideas about interpreting various NT passages

This verse is not speaking of believers (His sheep). The author here is telling us that it is impossible to lose your salvation. I find it funny how people use this verse to prove the opposite.

To which verse are you referring? The Hebrews passage? Are you suggesting that someone can be enlightened, taste “the heavenly gift,” taste the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and be made a partaker of the Holy Spirit (!!!), but not be a believer?

Or are you talking about the parable of the sower, which has less to do with salvation than “fruitfulness”?

You are talking about the cross vs evolution. Not exactly on the same level.

But in reality we see that many people abandon their faith.
Or would you say they never were saved in the first place?

What? I’m asking you if you would believe in a thing when its proven wrong.

An emphatic, YES! Answer me this. Did Judas (son of perdition) baptize and perform miracles as the rest of the disciples?

Absolutely. Are you introducing a circular argument? Judas was not really saved so he couldn’t lose his salvation?

Or…conversely, did he lose his salvation?

Who is it that has partaken but is not sealed? And how do you know?

Partaking is one thing

(Corinthians 1:22) “22 and who has also put his SEAL on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.”

My friend, your unwillingness not to accept the literal interpretation of the bible does not mean it is proven wrong

You are avoiding my question.
But i do accept the literal interpretation of the Bible. If the author meant it to be literal.

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Actually I am not. I believe wholeheartedly in the bible. I think evolution is nonsense. Therefore you want me to somehow equate the foundation of Christianity being a farce to something I, myself, find trivial.

If you believe as you do, then so be it. I am not trying to convince you otherwise (evolutionary speaking). I am just saying to always examine yourself. I, myself, try to do the same. God bless :slight_smile:

Most if not all parables are about converts and false converts.

You seem to miss the point of my question.
It is proven that the earth is alot older than 6000 years.
It is proven that evolution is the process by which small organisms change overtime with natural selection as its mechanism into the animals we see today.
Thus the YEC worldview is proven false.

So then the ultimatum again: You either believe in a worldview proven false and you are able to be a christian. Or you accept the worldview that doesn’t allow you to be a christian but is proven true.

Do you see my point?

I’m not trying to convince you either, but i am trying to make a point.
God bless :slightly_smiling_face:

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Wow. Most of the parables in Matthew are about the nature of the Kingdom of Heaven (i.e., the Kingdom of God). I know this because it explicitly says so.

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No, it hasn’t been proven that the earth is billions of years old. That is based on a presupposition. No one was here to observe therefore you are left with a best guess.

No, it hasn’t, again presupposition with no one here to observe such a phenomena, and no, I do not consider ‘specie variation’ as evolution or as you like to call, “microevolution”

The YEC worldview has not been proven wrong. Again, you have a presuppsotional bias to your point of view, and so do I. I am not saying, who is right or wrong. Just because you have a presupposition does not make you right.

You are not able to be a Christian unless God enables you.

Well that is why i tried to make my point in another way.
Because i knew you would not accept that its all proven.

But did you get the point i was trying to make?

If you read most if not all the parables. We see true converts and false converts. prodigal son etc…

I guess if that’s the lens you need to read through. The problem is that you miss what Jesus is really saying (especially when he’s explicit as to what the parable is about). That’s something of a tragedy.

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My friend, God and evolution do not go together. If evolution is true, you would not only do violence to the text but to the character and nature of God. Evolution is full of blood, disease, death,animals ripping each other apart etc… without sin entering into the world being the cause of the fallen creation. The God of evolution would not be the God He portrays Himself in scripture.