This verse is not speaking of believers (His sheep). The author is kind of being facetious (if that is an accurate term to use). If you somehow have broken the shackles of the most powerful force in the universe, then you have demonstrated that you are more powerful than God. Parable of the sower; some delighted in the word. The author here is telling us that it is impossible to lose your salvation. I find it funny how people use this verse to prove the opposite.
(John 6:37) “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.”
(John 6:39) “And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.”
Interesting that so many read this parable the wrong way. It’s not primarily about the seeds. It’s about the sower.
But, by the way:
“Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. And this we will do, if God permits. For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.” (Hebrews 6:1-6)
Who are these that “have once been enlightened”? Do they even exist? Or is this a hypothetical situation that doesn’t ever actually happen? And if so, why is it here?
This verse is not speaking of believers (His sheep). The author here is telling us that it is impossible to lose your salvation. I find it funny how people use this verse to prove the opposite.
To which verse are you referring? The Hebrews passage? Are you suggesting that someone can be enlightened, taste “the heavenly gift,” taste the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and be made a partaker of the Holy Spirit (!!!), but not be a believer?
Or are you talking about the parable of the sower, which has less to do with salvation than “fruitfulness”?
Actually I am not. I believe wholeheartedly in the bible. I think evolution is nonsense. Therefore you want me to somehow equate the foundation of Christianity being a farce to something I, myself, find trivial.
If you believe as you do, then so be it. I am not trying to convince you otherwise (evolutionary speaking). I am just saying to always examine yourself. I, myself, try to do the same. God bless
You seem to miss the point of my question.
It is proven that the earth is alot older than 6000 years.
It is proven that evolution is the process by which small organisms change overtime with natural selection as its mechanism into the animals we see today.
Thus the YEC worldview is proven false.
So then the ultimatum again: You either believe in a worldview proven false and you are able to be a christian. Or you accept the worldview that doesn’t allow you to be a christian but is proven true.
Do you see my point?
I’m not trying to convince you either, but i am trying to make a point.
God bless
Wow. Most of the parables in Matthew are about the nature of the Kingdom of Heaven (i.e., the Kingdom of God). I know this because it explicitly says so.
No, it hasn’t been proven that the earth is billions of years old. That is based on a presupposition. No one was here to observe therefore you are left with a best guess.
No, it hasn’t, again presupposition with no one here to observe such a phenomena, and no, I do not consider ‘specie variation’ as evolution or as you like to call, “microevolution”
The YEC worldview has not been proven wrong. Again, you have a presuppsotional bias to your point of view, and so do I. I am not saying, who is right or wrong. Just because you have a presupposition does not make you right.
You are not able to be a Christian unless God enables you.
