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[Nick_Allen (nicolas andulsky allen)]

We went over this already.

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Acts 17:26-27 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

Ok, so on the surface this appears to be a biblical passage stating that God made everyone from Adam. Au contraire mon frere. The nations being referred to here are the nations of the middle east which were, according to the Bible, founded by Noah’s sons. So, no, this passage does not support that everyone is descended from Adam. Also, just because Noah’s sons founded some nations does not mean that everyone in said nations are descended from Noah’s sons. George Washington was the father of our country, but he is not my great great great great granddad.

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Hosea 6:7 As at Adam,[b] they have broken the covenant; they were unfaithful to me there.

Yes Adam broke a covenant, but that does not mean that all mankind is descended directly from Adam.

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Romans 5:12-17 12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

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13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come. 15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

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Death came to all people because all sinned. “The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation” and this is because Adam’s sin of eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil proved that all people desire to know the difference between good and evil, to not be unaware of the difference between right and wrong. When one is unaware of the difference between right and wrong, one is blameless, but with knowledge of good and evil, one becomes culpable for one’s actions. All people outside of the garden (everyone but Adam and Eve) knew right from wrong and were culpable. This is why, “the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.” The many trespasses are the natural result of fallible people exercising their free wills without the perfection of God. It is the fact that each of us, if given the chance, would choose to know right from wrong and to be culpable for our actions that allows us to still recognize that God is good after creating this hard world. This world is suitable for us, and the fault lies in us, not in God.

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1 Corinthians 15:21-22 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

See my post above for Romans 5:12-17 since this is the exact same thing.

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1 Corinthians 15:45-49 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man.

So, does this passage say that Adam was the first man ever? No, otherwise it would be also saying that Christ was the last man ever. Adam is the first in a series of two, and Christ is the second in that series of two.

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1 Timothy 2:13 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

Again, Adam is not the first man in the history of ever here, he is the first in a series of two. First was made Adam, and second was made Eve. Adam is, however, the first in the line of Abraham.

Here is a link to a great article that explains this passage in more depth. Paul and Women

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Genesis 3:20 20 Adam[a] named his wife Eve,[b] because she would become the mother of all the living.

This simply proves that Adam and Eve were unaware of what was outside of the garden. Namely, it shows that Adam and Eve were unaware of the wider world. Notice that God does not name Eve this.

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Romans 8:20-22 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[a] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

As near as I can tell, this relates only to YEC in that YEC posits that the second law of thermodynamics implies that the world started in a state of perfect order and progressively grows more disorderly over time. This is a semantic misunderstanding of the meanings of order and disorder as they relate to entropy. Entropy is not relevant to morality.

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1 Chronicles 1:1 1 Adam, Seth, Enosh,

YEC tends to cite every genealogy as proof of Adam as the first man. As I have pointed out, this merely makes Adam the first in the line of Abraham, not the first in the line of humanity.

Luke 3:38 is another genealogy.Jude 14 is a genealogical reference.

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Exodus 31:15-17 15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death. 16 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’”

This one is simple once you realize that here we have days that symbolize eons. In verse 17 yowm would be better translated as eon. In verse 15, yowm would be better translated as day. The days of the week symbolize the eons of creation. This is a remembrance in the same way that the bitter herbs are a remembrance during the passover, or the bread and wine are a remembrance in the eucharist.

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