I’m sorry, I think I missed your challenge? I am unaware?
I was speaking on different levels. One from a far less important level, of attempting to “defend” objective morals or what I see them as Biblically speaking. the other thing I was saying that I put much more importance on, is that fact that it doesn’t matter how many morals you break, Jesus atoned for all of them.
A person who acts on their LGBTQ desires or mass murderer (see Jeffery Dahmer who is believed to have repented on His death bed and is in Heaven) I would invite all to Christ. Technically they can still do those things post salvation…and still be saved. However, IF they were still doing those things, one wonders if they ever understood the truth of God and really wanted God to be their Lord and rule their lives. Though judgment is for God not for me. Whatever we grew up in that caused us to be as “messed up” as some are, there are stumbling blocks out there that can and do mislead the sheep of God, and we all make mistakes and “slip” into our past lives. I am thankful to God He still loves us and wants us to know Him and worship Him, and we can’t be separated form God and death has been conquered in Jesus.
Based off of some things you said, I am not certain on the morality of polygamy or not, but again, it would not keep them from becoming or “staying” saved.
I’m can agree with you there. i guess it is always important to look for the intent of the law, over the law in black and white.
I think we can also agree whether objective or subjective, the morals will be broken no matter what.
I wish more people were like you brother. Smart, level headed, open minded.
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
I think think agrees with your side of subjective morals. “Law for themselves.”
Yet the important part here is, if you had a Israelite objective law, or a gentile subjective law, if you fail to follow it(as no one can from themselves), it is a sin, a sin being an archery term for missing the mark, not perfection. God is the only one who is Holy and can uphold the objective and subjective law, or man can do it through the power of God if they submit that to God. This is why Jesus was able to live a perfect life subjective God.
But that was the point of the law, to show us that we are not holy, but that God is. The only way to love anyone is to know them. For if you love someone, but don’t know them, that is cheesy halmark love with no substance. But to know someone and not love them, that is rejection. But to know someone, and to loev them in spite or because of what you know about that, that is love. The only way to love God is to know Him, and the only way to know Him is to know how holy He is, and the only way to know how holy He is, is to have a law (whether objective or subjective). Sin takes advantage of that law, and we are separated from the Holy God. Until, Grace/Jesus came to reconcile us back to God.
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.
20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.