Migdal eder hypothesis

Yes, somebody is confused. Christian sources say that Jesus is the Passover Lamb, sacrificed for our sin.

What Jewish sources? Exodus says the Passover lamb has to be a male lamb without blemish.
And who the heck lets sheep stray? They wouldn’t survive very long.

Time out.
You wrote:

I wrote:

You don’t like my “conjecture”? Not a problem, ignore it.
Now you’re left with the conviction that the location of Migdal Eder is not known, and I don’t have to bolster my conjecture any more. And we are left with irreconcilable opinions.

I really don’t have any conviction on this subject. The professionals are the ones who say the location is unknown.

Then why bring it up? If you haven’t noticed my modus operandi by now it is to ask questions. Sometimes my questions have caused people to see the problems in their thinking.

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You ignored my link, now I’ll make it easy for you. Read on:

  • Halakha 3 · MISHNA If an animal that is fit for the altar was found straying, from Jerusalem and as far as Migdal Eder, and similarly if it was found within that distance from Jerusalem in any other direction, it is presumed that the animal came from Jerusalem. Most of the animals in Jerusalem were designated for offerings, and presumably this one was as well. Males are presumed to be burnt-offerings, as only males are brought as burnt-offerings. Females are presumed to be peace-offerings, as it is permitted to bring a female peace-offering. Source: Jerusalem Talmud Shekalim 7:3.

Somebody must have “let their sheep stray”, otherwise the portion of the Talmud given above would be a mystery, wouldn’t it?

You’re not under the illusion that only Passover lambs were killed, are you? The portion of the very Jewish source given above mentions “burnt offerings” and “peace offerings”, presumably involving the death of non-Passover lambs.

Are you saying the shepherds told Mary?

Umm, … because it amused me to do so and there’s no law against it?

And if you haven’t noticed my “modus operandi” by now, it is to answer a few questions put to me now and then, and to ignore others … temporarily or permanently. As for asking questions that cause people to see the problems in their thinking, that’s a noble vocation or hobby, but if you were hoping to get me to see a problem in my thinking, you’ll need to stand in line. There are a lot of people ahead of you hoping the same thing.

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Actually it is part of my day job so I tend to continue on here, more as a hobby.

No not at all.

No. I’m saying that one angel told the shepherds:

  • Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; 11 for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. 12 This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.” 13 And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
    14 “Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.”

What the Archangel Gabriel told Mary, however, was:

  • 26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth, 27 to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And coming in, he said to her, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.” 29 But she was very perplexed at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this was. 30 The angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” 34 Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?” 35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

Why would they know where The Baby was?

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Are you saying the shepherds told Mary something?

Bethlehem is important because Bethlehem was the hometown of David. Jesus was of the linage of David because He was by inheritance the rightful King of Israel and God’s Messiah. The Lamb of God is a different understanding of the Savior.

Of course not. That is why I said, “All that was required for a sacrificial lamb was that it be without blemish (defect). It didn’t have to come from a special flock or anything.”

In other words, the lambs for sacrifice don’t have to come from some special Migdal Eder flock.

Dunno. GPS coordinates, maybe?

Are you asking because you don’t have a Bible or because you’ve never read Luke 2:17?

Who said they did?

Typical insulting evangelical! Mary didn’t need shepherds mansplaining anything to her. And they didn’t.

Your Migdal Eder idea implies this.

Nonsense; but I’m sure you won’t understand why.

Incorrect on two counts: I am neither typical nor an evangelical, ergo: I’m certainly not a typical evangelical. You’re imagining things on the third count: I wondered if you had a Bible or had never read Luke 2:17 because:
At; 2:16-19, I read:
16 So they [the shepherds] came in a hurry and found their way to Mary and Joseph, and the baby as He lay in the manger. 17 When they had seen this, they made known the statement which had been told them about this Child. 18 And all who heard it wondered at the things which were told them by the shepherds. 19 But Mary treasured all these things, pondering them in her heart.

  • Nota Bene: Verse 17 says the shepherds “ἐγνώρισαν”, that is: “made known” what the angels had told them regarding “the Child” What did the shepherds make known? And to whom did the shepherds make known anything?

I’m sure she didn’t. But you seem to believe that the shepherds didn’t “make anything known” to Mary; whereas I believe Verse 17 says they made known to some folks, including Mary, what the angels had told them about “the child”.

So you and I have an irreconcilable difference in opinions. You appear to believe that the shepherds didn’t “make anything known” to Mary, and I say–on the basis of Luke 2:17–they did: specifically, they made known what the angels had told them.
And now, I understand your question:

You wanted to argue over whether or not the shepherds told Mary that her son would be called “the Messiah”. LOL!! So, you had an agenda, eh? It would have been kind of you to give me a “head’s up!”
Apparently you’re unaware of what Islam’s Qur’an says.
To begin with, it’s important to understand that orthodox Islam claims that the Qur’an is the ipissima verba of Allah: divine in origin and without error. To understand just how divine in origin and inerrant the Qur’an is considered by the most devout Muslim, read: The Miraculous Language of the Qur’an: Evidence of Divine Origin.
Then compare what the Qur’an says with what Luke 2:8-14 says. Or don’t compare them.
Whether you compare them or not, I’m done. You’ll have to find someone else to argue with,

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