Mass Vaccination in a Pandemic - Benefits versus Risks: Interview with Geert Vanden Bossche

[Ani99]

@glipsnort

Vaccine efficacy (and effectiveness) is measured relative to unvaccinated people. So 95% efficacy means that 95% fewer vaccinated people get sick (or get infected, or whatever the endpoint of the study is) than unvaccinated people. That doesn’t mean every unvaccinated person would get sick.

So I guess they are looking at people vaccinated and unvaccinated, who live under the same or similar conditions, so as to have a reasonable comparison.

[jessica]

It’s because we’re so obese & riddled with chronic, preventable disease.

[jessica]

Hi Hillary- I noticed you removed the video. Interesting. I have a general statement I’d like to make about this thread. How’s the best way to do that?

[glipsnort (Steve Schaffner)]

@Ani99

So I guess they are looking at people vaccinated and unvaccinated, who live under the same or similar conditions, so as to have a reasonable comparison.

Exactly. They randomly assign people to be vaccinated or not. Who has been vaccinated is kept hidden from everyone involved – it’s a ‘double blind’ study (although in the case of these studies, those who got the vaccine could often guess because they had an immune reaction).

[Mervin_Bitikofer]

Just out of curiousity - what do they inject for the placebo? Is it just a colored saline solution?

[glipsnort (Steve Schaffner)]

I believe most covid vaccines have used saline as the placebo. The AZ vaccine trial used a meningitis vaccine instead.

[Randy]

@jessica

Also, being concerned about possible lifelong consequences of an experiential treatment is loving your neighbor as well. There are different opinions on these things and the pro-Covid “vaccine” among us don’t have the corner on love.

I am sorry. I enthusiastically affirm that you sound like a compassionate person.

Here is a 16 minute analysis of his statement that you may enjoy. I don’t appreciate Zdogg’s snark, but he did analyze the statement, and has some good points.
Why Vanden Bossche Is Wrong About COVID Vaccines (zdoggmd.com)
Thanks.
I would be interested in what you think. But in advance, I do apologize for the snark. I strongly dislike snark, as it is disrespectful and shuts down conversation.
Thanks.

[HRankin (Hillary Rankin)]

@jessica

I have a general statement I’d like to make about this thread. How’s the best way to do that?

You can still make it in this thread!

[jessica]

Thanks Randy. His points are interesting & I’m becoming immune to snark so it’s ok Thanks for your kindness.

[Mervin_Bitikofer]

@jessica

I’m becoming immune to snark so it’s ok

We try to make sure all our guests get vaccinated for that! It’s a free service we offer here.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

@Mervin_Bitikofer

@jessica

snark

We try to make sure all our guests get vaccinated for that! It’s a free service we offer here.

I do more than my part (I must have gotten the placebo ).

[Patrick_S]

@jessica

I knew it was only a matter of time before the entire discussion turned to “do this out of love/concern for others”, regardless of the proof & regardless of what no one knows about possible longterm effects of the “vaccine”.

They are already talking about carrying papers showing you’ve been vaccinated before you can fly or visit some countries or even states.

[Patrick_S]

@Mervin_Bitikofer

Yeah - we do tend to be “pro-reality” around here. Call it a weakness of ours.

Wrong. You are dogmatic here. You believe what you believe in spite of evidence to the contrary, because you won’t consider alternate views of the facts, even to the point of not allowing them to be posted.

[glipsnort (Steve Schaffner)]

@Randy

Here is a 16 minute analysis of his statement that you may enjoy. I don’t appreciate Zdogg’s snark, but he did analyze the statement, and has some good points.
Why Vanden Bossche Is Wrong About COVID Vaccines (zdoggmd.com)

I’d say he’s pretty much dead on correct.

[beaglelady]

@Patrick_S

alternate views of the facts

What the heck is an alternate view of the facts?

[pevaquark (Matthew Pevarnik)]

Here’s another, more technical summary of why Vanden Bossche is wrong:

Addressing Geert Vanden Bossche’s Claims — Deplatform Disease

[Patrick_S]

@beaglelady

What the heck is an alternate view of the facts?

When two people see the same facts, but come to different conclusions as to what those facts mean. Much of that depends on the worldview of the one looking at the facts.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

And in this case, scientific savvy, not just worldview.

[jpm (Phil McCurdy)]

So, that seems to be a very post-modern approach, everyone has their own truth and so forth. Is that compatible with Christianity?

[glipsnort (Steve Schaffner)]

@jpm

So, that seems to be a very post-modern approach, everyone has their own truth and so forth. Is that compatible with Christianity?

Depends on your world view…