- First lesson of this thread: Refined and polished silver makes the best mirrors.
- Second lesson: Young Earth Creationism does not.
Cf Quetzalcoatl.
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I’m now wondering what they would have used for needles and thread.
?? The opening verses are a prophecy about Christ!
Scientifically we know no such thing. Without a “spirit-o-meter” science can’t even say spirits exist, so science can’t say anything about them.
You’re treating science as a religion. It isn’t.
So you have a ‘spirit-o-meter’? Patent it – you’ll become a billionaire!
Nope – that’s only true if you accept the YEC error that the Bible is a collection of twentieth-century objective news reports. It isn’t – it’s a library of multiple different kinds of literature, some of which no English reader can recognize because English doesn’t have them.
You’re engaging in linguistic and cultural imperialism, demanding that God has to conform to your modern worldview.
Nope. Since science can only detect ‘physical’ interaction, science can’t say anything at all about any other kinds of interaction.
Once again you’re demanding that God conforms to a scientific worldview – while you have yet to show any evidence that God cares about scientific accuracy.
Exactly!
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You need to take a university literature sequence: just because elements of an account are symbolic doesn’t mean that the account itself is symbolic. If I refer to a bunch of US dollars as “green” (e.g. “GImme some green, man”) it doesn’t mean I think the dollars are symbolic and especially doesn’t mean that the person I’m talking to is symbolic! I can write a story (cf. Aesop’s Fables) where every word in the story is meant literally but the story itself is not meant literally, and the reverse is true – I could write a story where every element is symbolic but the story is meant literally.
If he did that, then he was a fool, because nothing in the Bible is intended to talk about science. It may refer to something scientific – e.g. Malachi 3 – but it never, ever makes scientific points.
YEC is the biggest contributor to that kind of foolishness because of its insistence that the Bible teaches science.
Actually it isn’t – the writer of Job had no concept of “space”. The imagery is actually of the world sitting in the middle of the great deep without needing support.
Why would you expect to? No one is making such a suggestion . . . except, again, you.
Now: for once, could you pay attention to the topic instead of invoking your conspiracy theory that science is out to attack the Bible?
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Also the Sumerian use of winged serpents as divine beings. (I vaguely recall a story where a serpent lost its wings by being an unfaithful heavenly servant/messenger.)
Then there’s the broader Mesopotamian mythology where a serpent is earthly, wings are heavenly, so the winged serpent bridges the gap, being of two realms (this has interesting consequences for the Garden myth – the serpent crawling on its belly may be a reference to having lost its wings).
Silver, of course! 
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That’s “silver thread and golden needles”. 
In a similar vein, I once used the nature of light revealed by quantum mechanics to explain the Trinity. It is debatable how theologically sound the explanation was, but it did involve the use of scientific concepts to illuminate theological concepts.
There are some plants that make fine enough fibers that readily separate off, and some that make sharp enough points to use.
The Adam’s Needle and Thread Yucca comes to mind as an example, though one with no biogeographic plausibility.
- Thank you very much. Sewing with a Yucca Plant - Needle and Thread Bushcraft/Survival [5:42]
I am here looking out the window at my fig tree, wondering why they would choose it to make clothes. A single fig leaf roughly would cover the genitals, but fig leafs are really pretty friable, with a needle hole easily tearing through to the margins. They have a rough surface, and the stems ooze a white latex like sap that some people find irritating. Totally unsuited to making clothes.
Which is probably the point. Our flimsy attempts to cover our guilt and shame for our sins are doomed to failure, and the animal skins God provided is a huge upgrade, being durable. Then of course we have the symbolism of shed blood covering our sin.
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What???
Even this atheist knows the plan was for Jesus to die for the sins we committed in our lifetime.
That’s what Biblical Flat Earthers say.
“I thought the idea of a flat Earth was ridiculous,” said Robbie Davidson, a slim, hyper Canadian sporting a ginger goatee and loose fitting suit while sitting in the lobby of a Denver hotel.
But not any more. The hotel is hosting the second annual Flat Earth International Conference – an event that Davidson himself founded and organized.
“I’d first heard it in the Bible and thought ‘this can’t be true,’” he recalled, speaking with rapid excitement. “I mean, I believed everything else, that the Earth was created in six literal days, but what about all this other stuff [about a flat Earth]? To be consistent as a biblical literalist, I can’t pick and choose.”
Flat Earthers keep the faith at Denver conference | US news | The Guardian
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Well since it kind of bounced around with the talking snake. Which is the part I found interesting. In storytelling, regardless if it’s literature or a film we can often tell a genre by the tropes it uses. Take slashers. We can all see parallels between the stories of Freddy Kruger, Michael Meyers, Jason Voorhees and Charles Lee Ray aka the serial killer who becomes Chucky using some kind of magic soul transference. But even in a film that’s not a slasher, like the Addams Family movie in the 90s when Wednesday tells a short horror story we can see the tropes of it slasher in that story even though the film is not a slasher film at all.
So when reading Genesis it helps to have read other writings from that time. One genre that we see having existed is the genre of “ disputations “ which animals and plants can talk and often argue there points. One is “ The Fish and the Bird “ where these two animals talk and argue between themselves over sharing the space of a wetland. It also showcases ecological understanding. The bird eats the small fish and the fish often eats the plants taking away nesting for the bird.
Then there is also another with a debate between a sheep and a grain, that some believes was part of the myth blended into Cain and Abel. A sheep and a grain argue over who the gods like more.
Outside of this genre we also can see stuff that potentially played a role in the story of Babel where possibly at one time all beings spoke the same language, including animals. “ Enmerkar and the lord of Aratta.”
So talking animals in stories at that time was not abnormal at all.
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That would make it an amphitere. If it had both it would be a wyvern.
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