Latest Critique of Venema's Claims About Past Human Population Sizes

[Jay313 (Jay Johnson)]

@Swamidass

Who is saying that?

You used the term in the following post on another thread:

@Swamidass

It all depends what we mean by “human”. In John Walton’s model, the Homo sapiens outside the garden were not true theological humans as we understand human today (e.g. they were not Fallen). They bore the Image of God, but were not humans like us. So in this sense, Adam and Eve were the first “humans.”

It doesn’t really matter whether you call them Adamic/non-Adamic, H. sapiens/theological humans, unFallen/Fallen, or some other pair of terms that the general public will find more acceptable. (I assume they will not swallow human/not-quite-human, so something less problematic must be found from a PR standpoint.) The distinction is still there. (Did I answer your question, too, @Jonathan_Burke?)

@Swamidass

The whole point we have made is that we would all be Fallen by AD 1.

That’s exactly what I said, the process must have been completed by the first century:

@Jay313

Like most Christians, I cannot conceive a situation in which some of the world was “Fallen” and some was still “unFallen” by the first century A.D., when Christ “died for all” (2 Cor. 15). The genealogical magic must have been completed by that time.

So, again, if the process must have been completed by the first century, then you are making a historical claim. Show me some historical evidence that at least makes the idea plausible. Math won’t get someone across the ocean. [quote=“Swamidass, post:56, topic:37034”]
This is all dealt with in the paper @Jay313. It passed peer review with people more skeptical than you, without any scientific objections. There is just evidence and information you are ignorant of. Take a look at the paper. It is on my website.
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I took a look. I disagree with your evaluation of the isolation of South America. There is zero evidence that anyone from the “Old World” visited South America at a time when ocean-going vessels didn’t exist. You tried to explain the lack of evidence of any contact, but I think your explanation failed. It’s as simple as that. Others are free to read it and make up their own minds.