Is the Raqia solid or not?

[Bill_II]

@Timtofly

There are two ways to look at the issue.

I don’t know what issue you mean. This doesn’t appear to apply to my post above.

@Timtofly

Unless you can find a view in the Bible itself, where the author knew there was no global flood, no one had knowledge any more of what this earth looked like or even actually functioned before the Flood.

Can you point to any scripture where the author says the world worked differently before the flood?

@Timtofly

We look back today, and claim there was no flood as described not because the ancients had no clue what they were talking about, because to us, they did not.

I look back and realize that an actual historical flood was not the point of the story. Just as the early church fathers did.

@Timtofly

Saying that a Global Flood never happened though, rules out many ways of re-interpreting the data we have.

You have that backwards. Interpreting the data with no preconceived notion of what the data will say says there was never a global flood.

@Timtofly

Are we stuck with a scenario where creation is capable of out witting God?

The truth we see in creation comes from God. A God that does not lie by the way. We can trust what creation tells us.

@Timtofly

Even if we claim that the methods of science removes our own biases, we are forced, to say a Flood never happened, even though God chose to make the claim that it did.

It it not God’s claim it is your interpretation. A fallible human interpretation.

[Randy]

@Bill_II

The truth we see in creation comes from God. A God that does not lie by the way. We can trust what creation tells us.

Amen to that.