It looks more and more like a magical flood, doesn’t it?
You might want to read, A receding Flood scenario for the origin of the Grand Canyon, Peter Scheele, Journal of Creation, 24(3) 106-116, December 2010. Also "Sheet erosion in the Grand Canyon area in How Noah’s Flood Shaped the World, Oard and Reed, pages 115 to 116 and chapter 10 on the channelized flow. Of course, the Grand Canyon is not a single meandering channel, but has many side canyons which also beg to be explained, which Oard and Reed do. The research was not easy and took many years, but the explanation is simple and easy.
In the Grand Canyon, the side channels are perpendicular to the main channel which is inconsistent with catastrophic flooding. This is born out by the Channeled Scablands which has braided channels running parallel to one another:
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Did you see my post about dewclaws?
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So what about Oard, Reed, and Scheele’s hypothesis did you find unconvincing? You start with sheet flow, then go to channelized flow.
And Oard has researched the Missoula Flood extensively and in relation to the Genesis Flood. If you are interested, you can read his book, The Missoula Flood Controversy and the Genesis Flood. It is published by the Creation Research Society and was reviewed by several others prior to publication. It will give you a different hypothesis from a different point of view or worldview.
In view of our discussion, I am encouraged to read the book again. It has been several years, and the details have faded in my memory.
To carve that deep of a channel quickly you need fast flow. If you have fast flow then you won’t have a single channel with meanders. It’s that simple.
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Genesis 1 tells us that all creatures were created “good” and “very good.” Certainly there has been genetic deterioration since God’s original creation, including loss of function, which meets the definition of vestigial. But this loss of function, and generally a loss of genetic information is demonstration of genetic entropy or devolution, not leftover detritus from an evolutionary process and “proof” of evolution.
Unless, of course, the water during the channelized flow is entering from several different points.
That doesn’t work. When you put more water in the channel it overflows its banks and spreads out. This creates a braided network of channels, not a single channel with meanders. Again, the Channeled Scablands show this in spades.
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Vestigial toes are leftovers from when the common ancestor had 5 toes.
Okay, what do we disagree on? God created a canid “kind” from which dingos, wolves, coyotes, foxes and domestic dogs descended. Then there was a loss of function, with one toe becoming “vestigial.” What we disagree about is that you would say that it was a part of an evolutionary process, while a biblical creationist would say that it was due to genetic entropy that began after creation and as a result of the disobedience of Adam and Eve.
Plenty
What is the common ancestor? How many “kinds” have been identified? What are they?
Over time, horses gradually lost toes (they walk on one toe now) because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve? No, because their environment changed to grassy plains. Now they can run fast on that one hoofed toe. Horses are swift and strong. (Their vestigial toes are reduced to bone splints). Funny how sin made them better suited to a changing environment!
If sin makes your toes fall off then why do people still have 10 fingers and 10 toes? Does God decide when he’s going to get rid of toes? What about polydactyly? Are people with that condition especially virtuous?
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Genesis 1 does not say “perfect”. The first creation was subjected to futility from its very beginning, on purpose and by design. The new earth, of which the Bible also speaks, will be perfect.
You are right, it says “good” and “very good.” And if the writer had wanted to say “perfect,” what better Hebrew word would he have used? The Hebrew word used in Genesis 1 has a broad semantic range, as does the English word “good.” But here it likely is emphasizing that God is preeminently the one who is good, and that his works reflect that goodness.
From your words, you are likely referring to Romans 8:20 and following: (starting with verse 18): 8 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
So creation was subjected to futility, not created with futility, when Adam and Eve rebelled against God. Paul is saying that sin, which affected God’s purpose for man has also affected all of creation, making it contrary to the purpose for which it was designed. F.F. Bruce comments, “Man is part of ‘nature’, and the whole ‘nature’ of which he forms part was created good, has been involved in frustration and futility by sin, and will ultimately be redeemed.”
Creation was not created with futility, but subjected to it whe Adam and Eve choose to break God’s one command that He had given them.
Oh, I don’t know, it looks like this would have worked pretty well:
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8549.htm
It was first hit here, and there might be another one or two:
https://biblescan.com/searchot.php?q=perfect
This would work:
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3632.htm
Have you ever heard of destructive testing in engineering? Some iterations of a product are ‘subjected to futility’ on purpose, by design, from its beginning.
I’ve posted this before, but maybe not where you’ve seen it?
Yes, it’s a very good thing that the SARS-COV-2 virus is devolving and losing its capabilities. It would be truly terrible if it were gaining information on target binding sites and thus making itself more transmissible and more deadly.
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I’m not sure of that argument. The Delta variant is considerably more transmissible, and it is not out of the range of possibilities that additional mutations may make a virus that escapes the vaccines.
Yes, of course. Perhaps I should have tagged my post with an…,
IRONY ALERT
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