Dear Roymond,
but that statement is absolute nonsense!!!
I have observed the tactic you employ is that to keep hammering your compromised beliefs home, repetitively I expect believing that people will swallow all the contradictions and inconsistencies that your interpretation involves. And I guess it is a sad fact that some will. But for the following reasons it is abundantly clear to me that your interpretation of the Holy Scriptures is severely in error and is a False Teaching.
I refute the legitimacy of your interpretation of the Holy Scriptures. The interpretation you arrive at is contrary to the clear teaching of Jesus, Who is the Lord God, our Creator and Saviour.
The reasons you provide that distort the Holy Scriptures do not stand up to serious scrutiny.
The age of the Earth and the Gospel are fundamentally linked, that is a clear fact.
Jesus Himself spoke about Earth history; e.g., He placed man and woman at “the beginning of creation” during His discourse with the Pharisees over marriage and divorce:
“4 And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female,” Matthew 19:4;
AND
Jesus said*,** “6 But from the beginning of creation, God created them male and female.”* Mark 10:6,
Thus, we are reliably informed by the Holy Scriptures that God created mankind from the beginning of creation, not billions and billions of years after the creation.
The following article explains the importance of a correct understanding of the age of the Earth and all of creation:
Jesus compared His second coming to Earth to the abrupt and catastrophic commencement of the Global Flood during the “days of Noah”, when all life on Earth was destroyed except for those safely aboard the Ark:
“26 And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so will it also be in the days of the Son of Man”: Luke 17:26
It is an indictment against the Churches that have compromised the Truth of Scripture as attested by Jesus Himself and the Apostles, what we are so clearly taught by Jesus Himself, and exchange the Truth from God for a lie that compromises the Truth using weak arguments that turn what the Israelites Truly believed when the texts were written, (that is, the original audience) on its head.
I have learned throughout my life to be very wary when interpretations of the Bible end up being the precise opposite of what is so clearly written in the Holy Scriptures. Your interpretation turn creation on its head and deny the Truth of the all encompassing flood that extinguished all life except for those in the ark.
Such compromised interpretations of the creation and the Flood historical narratives, would have us believe that the Earth is billions upon billions of years old and the ‘flood of Noah’ was merely only a local flood somewhere in the Middle East in those days. Such a belief is not only wrong, but it flies in the face of common sense, as I have repeatedly asked here, WHY would God have righteous Noah laboriously build such a massive sea going vessel over many, many, many decades just for a local flood. It makes no sense whatsoever, therefore it is a False Teaching.
You are unable to provide a satisfactory answer to this straightforward and simple question.
The fact that the Holy Scripture accounts of the creation and the Flood are historical narratives is further reinforced by the unambiguous teaching of Jesus Himself and the Apostles, that are ever so clear the creation and flood are real history.
There is no way around that, except to discredit Jesus and the Apostles by saying Jesus and the Apostles were in error about the creation and the flood. Which is precisely what you and Theistic Evolution believers do, and it appears wax lyrical quite elaborately.
As sincere, honest and faithful Christians, aren’t we expected by our Gracious Lord to believe in faith what He and the Apostles He appointed teach.
If Christians don’t believe the Bible, in what sense are they ‘Christ followers’?
Jesus said, “37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.” Matthew 24:37.
Jesus, therefore, upheld Genesis as REAL literal history, i.e., it really happened, which in Truth was the traditional Jewish view back then, (when Jesus was teaching the people), that is based on Moses, historical record of a six-day creation just thousands of years ago.
As you will no doubt disagree, an informative article about the traditional Jewish view is at:
It is an undisputed fact that belief in evolution is an ancient pagan idea, if you don’t believe that statement, read:
Furthermore, Paul based his theology on the historic truth of Genesis, describing Jesus as the “Last Adam” Theistic evolutionists have made plain their belief that Jesus was mistaken.
Consider the Holy Scripture that informs us all:
“45 So also it is written: “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” The last Adam was a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthy one, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly one, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold, I am telling you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this perishable puts on the imperishable, and this mortal puts on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written: “Death has been swallowed up in victory. 55 Where, O Death, is your victory? Where, O Death, is your sting?” 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Law; 57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brothers and sisters, be firm, immovable, always excelling in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 15:45
It is Jesus who rescues us all from the penalty of sin (death) if we believe and accept His Gracious free gift of Salvation. This has been humanity’s downfall ever since Adam’s Fall from God’s perfect creation
“12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—" Romans 5:12
“ 15 But the gracious gift is not like the offense. For if by the offense of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many.” Romans 5:15,
“21 so that, as sin reigned in death, so also grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 5:21;
“21 For since by a man death came, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.” 1 Corinthians 15:21-22.
The Gospel is summed up in Paul’s statement:
“For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” Romans 6:23
If the creation was really millions of years old, this central Gospel text is false, placing death long before the wages of sin, thus destroying the logical link to the free gift in Christ Jesus of Salvation!
Our salvation will culminate with our living with God in the restoration, the new heavens and new earth forever and ever. This restored world will be similar to the way God originally created it in the beginning:
“There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain … ” Revelation 21:4
“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23
9 “because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved”. Romans 10:9
46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?” John 5:46-47
Therefore it’s correct to say that what Moses wrote is inextricably anchored to Christ’s teachings.
The books of Moses start out by explaining in Genesis that God initially created a perfect world with no sin, death, pain etc. God called His creation “very good”. Before sin entered the world, there was no death. Even animals ate plants as there was no carnivorous activity in the world.
“29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30 and to every animal of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to everything that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so.” Genesis 1:29-30
“21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.” 1 Corinthians 15:21-22
Nor was Jesus wrong about His genealogy:
23 When He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years old, being, as was commonly held, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Hesli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Salmon, the son of Nahshon, 33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Heber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. Luke 3:23-38
The above genealogy tacitly directly connects Jesus to the historical figures of Noah and Adam. Furthermore, the genealogy is real history, as clearly evidenced by the complete line of patriarchs from Adam to Jesus. Real history further confirms that Adam was a REAL man!
Neither was the Father in Heaven culpable of deception in allowing Jesus to teach error—a blasphemous consequence of such faulty thinking.
When Christians try to accommodate evolution and the Bible, their grip on Genesis as literal history must first be loosened, i.e. Genesis must be presumed to be allegory, or metaphor.
And so the first man Adam is no longer a real person.
But the New Testament names each of his descendants, generation by generation, all the way to Jesus! See the Genealogy again in Luke 3:23-38 above.
When Jesus discussed the creation of man:
4 And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? Matthew 19:4-5
and Noah’s Flood,
37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Matthew 24:37-39
AND
Jesus said,“26 And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so will it also be in the days of the Son of Man: 27 people were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, and they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.” Luke 17:26-27
He clearly spoke of them all as historical events, not parables, (though obviously parables can have a historical basis, just as they can also be entirely fictional to communicate the message).
The contrived idea that you claim Jesus was “speaking from the knowledge of His time” thus Jesus was in error as a fully human person, belies the reality that Jesus is the Creator.
Yes, incarnate Jesus is a man, but His deity remains upon Him.
Didn’t He say that the angels of Heaven are ascending and descending upon Him?
Didn’t He perform miracles, didn’t even the wind and the waves obey His command?
Didn’t Jesus talk with Moses and Elijah?
I thoroughly recommend that you read the excellent article by Australian medical doctor Carl Wieland at:
Importantly from this article is the following excerpt:
The Lord Jesus repeatedly made it clear that His words and actions were on the Father’s authority, in all respects. Some examples are firstly:
“28 So Jesus said, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I Am, and I do nothing on My own, but I say these things as the Father instructed Me.” John 8:28
And, “For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak. And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.” John 12:49-50
One thing is very clear from all this. Namely, that the erroneous belief that ‘science insists that evolution and long ages are ‘fact’ is the most serious challenge to biblical authority, and thus to the faith in general, that the Christian faith has ever faced. If our Loving, Gracious Lord Jesus’ words in Scripture can’t be trusted on these foundational matters, how are we able to trust anything at all in the Bible?
I have noticed that theistic evolutionists have declared their belief that Jesus was mistaken.
For example, on this theistic evolutionary website, the following was written:
“If Jesus as a finite human being erred from time to time, there is no reason at all to suppose that Moses, Paul, John wrote Scripture without error. Rather, we are wise to assume that the biblical authors expressed themselves as human beings writing from the perspectives of their own finite, broken horizons.”
This is all the more serious because Jesus and the apostles used the history they taught to back up the theology that they taught. Areas that use the real history of the historical narrative parts of the Bible, include:
the Resurrection
“20 But the fact is, Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21 For since by a man death came, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to our God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is clear that this excludes the Father who put all things in subjection to Him. 28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.” 1 Corinthians 15,
and marriage:
*“10 Setting out from there, Jesus *went to the region of Judea and beyond the Jordan; crowds gathered to Him again, and, as He was accustomed, He once more began to teach them.
2 And some Pharisees came up to Jesus, testing Him, and began questioning Him whether it was lawful for a man to divorce his wife. 3 And He answered and said to them, “What did Moses command you?” 4 They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send his wife away.” 5 But Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6 But from the beginning of creation, God created them male and female. 7 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother, 8 and the two shall become one flesh; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore, what God has joined together, no person is to separate.”
*10 And in the house the disciples again began questioning Him about this. 11 And He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; 12 and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.” Mark 10:1-12,
and atonement:
“12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned— 13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not counted against anyone when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the violation committed by Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
15 But the gracious gift is not like the offense. For if by the offense of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many. 16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one offense, resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the gracious gift arose from many offenses, resulting in justification. 17 For if by the offense of the one, death reigned through the one, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
18 So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind. 19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. 20 The Law came in so that the offense would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, so also grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 5:12-21
and Heaven:
“21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among the people, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”
*5 And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” 6 Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give water to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life, without cost. 7 The one who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. 8 But for the cowardly, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and sexually immoral persons, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, full of the seven last plagues, came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very valuable stone, like a stone of crystal-clear jasper. 12 It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on the gates, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 The one who spoke with me had a gold measuring rod to measure the city, its gates, and its wall. 16 The city is laid out as a square, and its length is as great as the width; and he measured the city with the rod, twelve thousand stadia; its length, width, and height are equal. 17 And he measured its wall, 144 cubits, by human measurements, which are also angelic measurements. 18 The material of the wall was jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. 19 The foundation stones of the city wall were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation stone was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, emerald; 20 the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprase; the eleventh, jacinth; the twelfth, amethyst. 21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; each one of the gates was a single pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass.
22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illuminated it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. 25 In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed; 26 and they will bring the glory and the honour of the nations into it; 27 and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
22 And he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 2 in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him; 4 they will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. 5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illuminate them; and they will reign forever and ever.” Revelation 21:1 - 22:5
are only a few of the areas in which compromising Christians are theologically crippled, because they don’t have the same strong stand on Genesis that Jesus and the Apostles have when they taught about these areas and even now they still have.
What a tragedy that so many Christian leaders have been bluffed and intimidated into assuming that secular interpretations of the evidence interpreted through what is based upon an atheistic, secular humanist, materialistic, naturalism, worldview philosophy to dictate their understanding of God’s Word. And right at a point in history when there are more scientific reasons than ever to confirm the utter rationality of trusting the Bible, not evolutionary conclusions.
Evolution is a completely Falsified belief system as far as I am concerned.
There is no discrepancy between science and True Christianity.
The battle is between disparate worldviews!
God bless,
jon