How historically accurate is the Bible?

From my understanding, it is much more limited in scope than what the Biblical account makes it out to be and tends to reflect a later Israelite dynasty than what necessarily existed in the time of David/Solomon.

Yep, that’s basically the consensus. Though some recent results have challenged this. In 2005, Eilat Mazar excavated the Stepped Stone Structure and Large Stone Structure. Though Finkelstein originally challenged it, I think it’s now clear that they are one structure dating to the 10th century BC. Excavations at Khirbet Qeiyafa from 2007-2014 have proven enormously important – a full scale fortified city with two gates requiring 200,000 tons of stone to construct dating to the 10th century BC. Whether or not this is site is Judahite or North Israelite is still debated, but has enormous implications either way such as dating the transition of Israel from the Iron I to the Iron II period in accordance with the high chronology (c. 1000 BC). In 2016, excavations in Gezer under Steve Ortiz and Sam Wolff found a large palatial building likely dating to the 10th century BC, and just last year in 2017, excavations in the Timna Valley under Erez Ben-Yosef have discovered an industrial level of copper production likely under Israelite control in the 10th century BC as well. Perhaps a part of all this I really liked was when Ben-Yosef concluded that “The historical accuracy of the Old Testament accounts is debated, but archeology can no longer be used to contradict them.” So the archaeological picture has been seriously being challenged in recent years. We can only wait to see what’s going to emerge out of all this.

@ManiacalVesalius

How true! For example:

“The Egyptian artifacts date to the 13th century B.C.E., during the 19th Egyptian Dynasty that included the reign of Ramesses II. Peter van der Veen writes, “Egypt was not new to Canaan in the 19th dynasty … Canaan was in effect an Egyptian province during the 14th century B.C.E.” In the famous Amarna letters, Abdi-Heba, the puppet-king of Jerusalem, proclaims that “the king has placed his name in Jerusalem forever.” While Bronze Age Jerusalem was not situated on Canaanite trade routes, Peter van der Veen notes that it controlled north-south traffic between Hebron and Shechem, as well as east-west traffic from the Via Maris to the King’s Highway. The Egyptians established a garrison at Manahat, just two miles southwest of Bronze Age Jerusalem.”

Then there’s the recent archaeological work at Jaffa - - showing that Egypt was driven out of Canaan by the Philistines (and Canaanites presumably inspired by the Philistines):

[Be sure to click on the image to enlarge font size to the maximum!]

Below is an Egyptian stele (along with a statue of Pharaoh Ramesses III) erected at Beth Shean,
which was the major Egyptian administrative center in Canaan … right up until the garrison at Jaffa
was compromised… around 1125 BCE !

Thanks Matthew…I think what I was responding to were a couple earlier remarks to the effect that ,well OK so they have an exodus story —but that is not the initial story as it did not begin right away. Thus you cannot say it was an ignominious founding tale for the people-group who became Israel.

The initial story would be a family going to Egypt during a severe famine – something that happened and does not stand out as unusual in cultural context. This part is more family genealogy than the advent of a national history.

“Going up to Egypt” and doing well there, then later entering a rather harsh state of existence and being delivered not by their own power but by their god — this is the event that is often argued as not being the usual glorious story that many people groups or nations like to spout off. Think of all the beknighted tales of your own national story, whichever one it is…

So I was addressing your remarks that this slavery-in-Egypt was not the start of the national story, but it seems more likely that it was, since the family-escaping-famine remained in Egypt and grew into a larger ethnic group within that culture…We have gone from Dysfunctional Family with Major Issues (not a new story, after all!!) to something larger.

Since this Exodus event is something that became “the national genesis story,” then — as others would say — it is an oddity.,But there are other details that people use to highlight the potential reality of the Egyptian saga…knowledge of geography, Egyptian names, other local customs, the existence of other groups making similar treks on a smaller scale, and so on…

As for the “cast of millions” —I leave this issue alone. I know there is some “discussion” about the likelihood or the numbers implied by Exodus 12:37 — i.e., does " about six hundred thousand" (NRSV) or “some six hundred thousand able-bodied men” (WBC) lead up to how many people? and so on…The ancient historian Manetho had “an exodus of 240,000 entire households with their possessions back into the deserts toward Syria,” according to the authors of another book called The Exodus: Myth, Legend, and History — and referring to a similar event, not the biblical one.

As for Reggie’ comments re the history or origins of the names El and YHWH …best I see is that YHWH (translated the Lord usually) is part, not all, of the name given in Exodus 3. This is an interesting issue though. I have read that El is/was simply a generic name for God in the region. Also, the Oxford Annotated Bible (NRSV) and the Archeaological Study Bible (NIV version at least) plussome writers like Dever note that the use of this goes back to Genesis 4:26 and to another chapter in Genesis…suggesting that Exodus is not only a further revelation of God’s name and character but, in some ways, a recalling of what humanity had known in much earlier times.

I have been reading from a book that correlates the histories of 1 and 2 Chronicles and Kings with what is known historically and archaeologically. The author(s) are not YEC fundamentalists, in case you are suspicious. They are just discussing the readings in those partcular texts. What they highlight looks pretty good. As I think I said elsewhere, I did spend time personally reading whatever I could – pro and con — on the biblical book of Daniel, whose accounts have also been challenged pretty fiercely over time…But I have noted that as some or many of these “challenges” have been resolved over the last couple centuries, they are dropped as arguments and new ones brought to the fore – until they too end up being dropped. No one seems to recall the old disputes or give a second thought to how some or many of them were resolved.

I am thus not inclined to lay bets on the negative with many biblical renditions, esp one with such monumental implications as the Exodus event.

Have a great day.

@bluebird

Sometimes these “challenges” are dropped because the promoter of the challenge dies, and the successor Evangelicals ignore the challenge.

For example, perhaps as early as the 1890’s? (I’ll have to check) a researcher did a brilliant job showing that the Exodus had to be sometime after the events of 1200 BCE. He summoned quite a bit of detail (I’m looking for it now), and I would have thought it was a conclusive analysis.

It went quite a while without being challenged… and then the researcher was gone. “I guess we showed him!”

The Harris texts from Egypt does a rather good job of describing an Exodus, the reason for the Exodus… just not where the fleeing Exodus group went to. There is a possibility that the Exodus group fled to what we call Petra now…

The cross-hairs for Exodus is around 1100 BCE. There’s really no time before 1100 BCE that the events are credible. And rather than 600,000 men of arms, the original term for 6000 “thousand” could have been 6000 “tents”… which is at least a reasonable number to consider (2 to 5 people per tent, or 12,000 to 30,000). 12,000 seems more realistic.

Well, thanks for the thoughts, George…As to the first remarks in your paragraph 1…No, I rather am thinking of “quibbles” or “challenges” that were simply answered by later discoveries…not by “evangelicals ignoring the challenge.”

For one.such quibble, there is the “How could there have been lions’ dens? How would they have been able to breathe?” and then later it was discovered that such dens existed among Babylonians and, I also think, Assyrians. Evidently this was the ANE version of the English fox hunt or pigeon shoot …though maybe much more dangerous.

And then “who was Belshazzar?” While I am not sure the term “evangelical” was so prominent in the 19th century, I do recall reading an argument by the conservative early 19th century scholar/theologian Hengstenberg suggesting that Evil-Merodach (one of Nebuchadnezzar’s sons) was actually Belshazzar.

Yes, I would say that Nebbie (as I call him) was not a model father, by early 21st century standards. There were a lot of suggestions and arguments for decades on this point alone. And I do recall some critic hoo-hoo-hoo-ing about it as late as around 1911 or so (almost a century after Hengstenberg) and saying “what idea will they come up with next?” he said, noting that there had never been such a person as Belshazzar.

But the ink was not even dry on the critic’s article (I think it was Bevan who argued that way) when they found something with the name Belshazzar on it…

And then the issue of “was there ever a Belshazzar?” was dropped in the same way that “how would the lions have been able to breathe if such things as dens existed?” was dropped.

But this is off the subject. I just mean this as an example of how debates can go on and on and then, in some of these cases (at least) they are resolved one way or another — and then the complaints seem to turn to some other source.

But in the examples I am citing, it was not a matter of “evangelicals” — did that term exist in 19th century? — ignoring a challenge…From what I have seen in our era, that is hardly the case ever…

As for the dating of the Exodus, I believe the mid to late 13th century is an accepted time frame nowadays — and there is evidence of a significant population increase in the regions we call Canaan and these increases cannot be well explained simply by the four-room house leading to proximity and greater birth rates among natives. See Dever…and others…That is one thing. I have not seen an argument that says “there’s really no time before 1100 BCE”…and the Merneptah Stele puts Israel in place, at least as a people group about 1209 BCE. So I am not sure about the crosshairs here.

And as I said, there is a lot of thought put into the numbers for the Exodus grouping…but the citing of Manetho by that one author reminds me of the trouble we are now having with discerning what was sometimes meant by numbers when used in ANE for any number of events…I have heard the groupings you describe, although the HEbrew word translated “thousands” is sometimes said to mean “clan” or “tribe.” I have not heard “tents” anywhere…and then the next argument is that these alternate translations do not fit with what is in Numbers.

As I said, I am leaving this issue alone. It is an argument that could well go on ad infinitum — or turn up to have a better explanation somewhere along the way.

@bluebird,

I understand the details you are offering. I’m not too sure these observations serve BioLogos very well. You seem to be keen on showing how correct the Bible can be, rather than showing all the places where problems are not likely to ever be resolved.

For example, the fact Exodus explicitly tells us that Moses and company wanted to avoid the Philistines on the Levantine coast. They weren’t there yet in the time frame you mention.

Mid to late 13th century, when translated, is 1250 BCE to 1200 BCE . You are going to put Exodus in the middle of the Sea People raids?

I was doing neither…but rather making a comment (initially — a few posts back) re the problem of being overly skeptical when not warranted.

As for what serves Biologos well, I leave that for the moderator to decide.

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Enjoying your comments, as well as George’s. I might comment that as moderators, we do not monitor content to “serve” the goals of Biologos, but I feel that the gracious exchange of ideas will ultimately best serve us all.

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Thanks, Phil…I have that sense of Biologos as a whole.

I do hope that George understood, from my earlier post, that the mid-13th century BCE dating for the Exodus is endorsed by the preponderance of academics/archaeologists these days – though others hold to the 15th century BCE date due to other interpretations. I mentioned a couple of reasons — the Merneptah Stele date and the population explosion in the Canaanite regions. If this is questionable to him, then I would suggest to him that he consult those who hold to the 13th century BCE dating for their own analysis of the Sea Peoples and their adventures.

@bluebird,

I think you will find that as the ramifications of a post-Philistine cut-off date filters into the mindsets of the Bible-critical archaeologists, an Exodus scenario no earlier than 1100 BCE (30 years after the 1130 BCE cut-off) will become increasingly prevalent.

The 1400s puts Exodus smack in the middle of the Amarna period; which is not a great fit.

And I am quite skeptical that mid-13th century (which is 1250 BCE) is a consensus date for anyone… this is 50 years before the Sea People chaos… and the Philistines are not yet in place on the Levantine coast at that time. I have never read a single credible treatment that used that time frame.

George…what is your source for this? If I just google the thing (without looking at any book I have), I get people arguing 13th century and 15th century BCE…the former tend to be secular, but not all are secular; the latter group tend to adhere to a certain biblical interpretation…

As I said, you will have to quibble with Dever and the majority of today’s scholars on this, but I am interested in your particular source (s).

Thanks.

@bluebird

Funny, I was going to ask you what your sources are for the 1200’s. You think Dever takes that position?

The one thing we can agree on is there are plenty of “old school” writers who cite the 1400s or 1500s as the time of Exodus. But I don’t know any “minimalist” scholars who take that seriously.

I think I have a PDF or two that I can insert or link for the 1130 BCE cut-off date in regards to Philistine archaeological field work. And while I am optimistic that this will eventually inform the next generation of Biblicists, I confess that I just haven’t found anyone willing to go out on the limb and state emphatically (other than me) that Exodus had to have happened after 1130 BCE.

[ I’m back - - with three relevant links on the Philistine Settlement date ]

“Radiocarbon dates confirm a destruction in the first half of the eleventh century BCE, highlighting the staggered process of the collapse of the Late Bronze culture at Megiddo: while a first “disturbance” came about with the end of the Egyptian empire in Canaan at ca. 1130 BCE (Area K)…”

From this link

https://megiddoexpedition.wordpress.com/2017/11/13/the-provenance-of-philistine-pottery-in-northern-canaan-with-a-focus-on-the-jezreel-valley/

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Israel in Transition: The Texts, edited by Lester L. Grabbe

Google Books link to “Israel in Transition: The Texts edited by Lester L. Grabbe”

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Google Books Link for "Philistines and Other ‘Sea Peoples’

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Thanks…will read more later…but if you "haven’t found anyone willing to go out on the limb and state emphatically…that Exodus had to have happened after 1130 BCE — I would also like to consider THEIR reasoning…which would include the 1209 BCE dating of the Merneptah Stele that puts a people/nation group named Israel in the region — plus the population explosion in the region in 13th century BCE ---- plus things like the fact that Ramses III is the pharoah known for building cities with names like Pi- Rameses…

I would have to look up some of the people you have mentioned. Finkelstein I know and have read (a little). He is a minimalist who has been accused of having difficulty backtracking on some of that position — natural and human enough.

Another known Egyptologist has said that it is almost “trivial” these days to debate dates for the Exodus since the real debate is between those who say it did not happen at all and those who do say it happened…

Fair enough point. But a source with a date that other scholars are pouring cold water on — the cold water may well be for a reason…But look anywhere and “late date” and “early date” positions for Exodus are always cited as 13th century BCE and 15th century BCE…You do not have to look hard to find that much.

Thanks for the info.,…and I will look later.

@bluebird

There are usually two reasons they won’t join me on the limb:

  1. They are YECs… and they can’t part with an incorrect timeframe.

  2. They are not YECs, but they receive at least partial support for field work from religious institutions - - some of them quite mainstream… who don’t want to trigger a flap in the Christian community over dating Exodus.

@bluebird

15th century… I read it lots of times.

13th century… as in 1250 to 1200 BCE? I’ve never encountered that view.

Thanks for the references George. I looked at the pdfs you have and went online elsewhere to read more about Lester L Grebbe’s book. Very scholarly book with no Amazon reviews — and a heavy price tag, so no wonder! I did use their system to peruse the table of contents and a couple sample pages. Yup, dry scholarly sample, seen that sort before.

I then found a review online of Grebbe’s Israel in Transition. Reviewer was a Jewish publication and you can at times learn a lot from a good review. Learned that “Iron I Beth-Shemesh shows a continuation of Late Bronze Canaanite culture at least to 1100 BCE, but with a complete absence of pig bones, a practice that …may identify Beth-Shemesh as an Israelite town.” That is — no pig bones because Israel did not eat pigs.

So add this to the unexplainable population explosion in 13th century “Canaan” and the Pi-Ramses building projects and the Merneptah Stele which puts 1209 BCE as a date when Israel as a nation or people group are first mentioned in The Promised Land, as it were…

There were notes about other views and chapters by various writers and they got summed up in this interesting review – " Killebrew concludes that …The Philistine settlement was complex, multiepisodal and extends beyond defeat of the Sea Peoples by Rameses III with multople armies [arrivals? cannot read my scribbling ] from 1200 to 1150 BCE. "

And there were others who said other things.,

This is as far as I am going…I am taking a course in The World of the Hebrew Bible and have literally about 200 pages to read before tomorrow night.

I think you have made a couple faux pas here - and they are just meant for you to think about — I am not complaining: One is that you profess to have “never encountered” a particular dating perspective that is known all over the place. By secular not fundamentalist scholars and archaeologists. …Why do you not know this? This makes one wonder …

Second…this is a website with a blog regarding “the accuracy of the Bible” and it has, as often happens, taken any remaining readers in many directions. Just respect those directions and learn from them. Don’t tell them that they do not represent the website well…That is not for you to judge…Assuming that someone else’s view is manipulated by some Christian church or universtiy so that they cannot say what they really think — is a bit too conspiratorial. Diversity of opinion sometimes is unpleasant., But while The Da Vinci Code may have been based upon a premise that was a hoax, that does not mean that every one else with a view unlike yours is also a puppet of some Dark Cathedral somewhere.,

I said earlier that I tend to think people do not give the Bible credit – and sometimes you would be surprised from where that credit does come. But enough for now. Whether late date or early date, I accept that there was an exodus from Egypt – though maybe Cecil B. DeMille would not have recognized it Gotta go read The Law of Hammurapi.

@bluebird

I notice you haven’t produced any citations stating Exodus happened during (or just before) the arrival of the sea peoples. It makes one wonder.

I am not here to share fantasies. Now that the Philistine Entrenchment has been solidly dated as 1130 BCE… (one writer even specifies 1125 BCE!) There is no logical or historical way to put Exodus prior to 1130.

Prior to 1130 BCE but after the “boxing-in” of the Philistines by Egyptian garrisons (say 1175 BCE), Exodus would have to say the fleeing Hebrew avoided the road by the sea because of the Egyptians… not the Philistines!

@bluebird

I think these dates are more of a problem for you than me. If Merneptah made the Israel naught in 1206 …who is living in BETH-SHEMESH (as late as 1100 bce) with no pig bones?

The dates you list are part of m6 reasons for seeing Israel as a people not connected to the Exodus tradition… Exodus is written in Exile for the Jews with a Hebrew back story. One hint of that is that Exodus refers to the golden calf with the dual reference we find in Kings (And the northern tribe’s 2 calves)… rather than vice versa (with a copy of the Exodus reference duplicated in Kings!).

What I meant by 'makes me wonder" is that you

  1. either have only just begun to read about this subject — and thus you have not yet become too familiar with the viewpoints, or…

.2) you are playing with me–or “pulling my chain,” as some would say…

As for sources — look everywhere. In the event that you fall into category #1 above, I cited in various previous postings a number of reasons — population explosion in 13th century BCE, Merneptah Stele, Pi-Rameses projects — these among others are cited by various writers…You just have to keep reading on the subject, go to biblical archaeology seminars where this issue is brought up, and so on. [P.S., “biblical archaeology seminars” covers a range of beliefs and non-beliefs, and YEC does not usually come up as a mention in them). The information is out there If you are category #1 you will find this soon enough. If #2, then you already know it.
…I do not use Google as a source, but if you do, just google “the date of the exodus” and see what you come up with as “late date” and “early date” selections. . No need to report back to me on it though. Just do it for your own enlightenment.

BTW — YEC people do not accept the 13th century BCE “late date” any more than you do. But either way, I will say that I at least respect their acknowledgement that there was an Exodus. We (YEC and non-YEC people like me) can agree to disagree on details but not the larger message and its implication for people today. I cited the examples of the Book of Daniel a few postings back — then there are the historical data in the gospels and so forth. Why count the Bible out on the matter of the Exodus — especially when it seems to have been knowledgeable about other things ??? The problem for us may be too many Hollywood movie images. God does not talk like Charlton Heston, for example.

If you fall into category #2 —well, what can I say??? Must be a hobby for some.

Best wishes in your continued search into the subject

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@bluebird,

Like many students of the Bible, I have been discussing the Exodus for decades. But it was only about 18 months ago that I encountered an explicit article (and then soon 2 more) that stated with no uncertainty that the Sinai and the Levant entered into a period where Egypt was not only denied access to its Northern Frontier, but even access to its short-range neighboring Levantine interests! And the date by which this became Egypt’s new reality was 1130 BCE and thereafter!

This is when I realized that I could have made the deduction for when the Exodus could not have happened years earlier … but I had always been too distracted by people trying find traces of Egyptian history in the Exodus account.

I thought I would take a sample of the dates I found in a google search.

As one might imagine, we find datings ranging from the time of the Hyksos (the 1500s), from
the 1400’s (the Amarna period), and even as recently as 1290 BCE.

One of the most popular ways to date the Exodus was to subtract 480 years (or sometimes 430 or even 410 years) from the estimated date of the building of Solomon’s Temple. This would put it around 1446 BCE.

An Orthodox Rabbi writing at this link

does a very nice job arguing for as recent a date as possible. But everyone seems to run out of boldness as the 1200’s ebb away. The ramifications are too stark to embrace anything more recent than the 1200s; we see traces of this in his Footnote 50: “There were other Pharaohs named Ramesses thereafter, starting with Ramesses III in 1184 BCE. But a 12th century BCE Pharaoh of the Oppression would considerably compress the period of the Judges, and be egregiously inconsistent with the 480 year and 300 year verses mentioned above…”

But I was quite impressed by the Rabbi’s commitment to the historical findings!. Not only does he recognize the relevance of the Philistine settlement, but he provides even more congruent findings:

"There is much circumstantial evidence against a 15th century BCE Exodus:
° The implication of the book of Exodus is that the Israelites, in the northeastern part of Egypt, were not far from the capital.[38] But in the period from 1550- 1295 BCE, the Egyptian capital was located in a region farther south, at Thebes.[39] It was only beginning with Seti I (1294-1279) that an area in the northeastern part of Egypt began functioning as the Egyptian capital, when Seti I built a palace there.[40]

° After the Six-Day War and additional areas came under Israel’s control, Israeli archaeologists were able to study much new territory that had been part of ancient Israel. Their studies show that the period that Israelite settlements began to appear in the land was the late 13th and early 12th centuries BCE, not the 15th and 14th centuries BCE.[41]

° Scores of Egyptian sources from 1500-1200 BCE have come to light that refer to places and groups in Canaan.[42] Yet there is no reference to Israel or to any of the tribes until the Merneptah Stele from the late 13th century BCE.[43] (The Merneptah Stele will be discussed below.)

° The Philistines appear as a major enemy of Israel during the period of the Judges,[44] appearing in chapters 3, 10 and 11 of the book of Judges.[45] . . . . .
But they only arrived in the land of Canaan around the 8th year of Ramesses III (=1177 BCE).[46]

° Egypt is never mentioned as one of the oppressors against whom Joshua or a leader in the book of Judges fought. This would be very strange for a conquest commencing around 1400 BCE. Egypt seemed to have exerted strong control over the land of Canaan at this time and for the next 200 years.[47]

Most satisfying to me was finding this final sentence in his footnote 51: “Pi-Ramesse was abandoned as a royal residence around 1130 BCE.”

The Rabbi concludes with his general desire to put the Exodus sometime (it would seem) bridging (before & after) the date he uses for the Philistines: 1177 BCE!

“A different solution is to postulate that some Israelites never went down to Egypt, and that these are the Israelites referred to by Merneptah. Although we are not used to thinking in this manner, there is perhaps some evidence in Tanach for such an approach.”[64]

“Other solutions view the Israelites referred to by Merneptah as Israelites who left Egypt before the enslavement began, or who were enslaved but left Egypt in an earlier wave. Rabbi J. H. Hertz took the first of these approaches, and his comments (although written in the 1930’s) bear repeating:” [65]

“If the reference in the Stele is to Israelites], then it refers to the settlements in Palestine by Israelites from Egypt before the Exodus… From various notices in I Chronicles[66] we see that, during the generations preceding the Oppression, the Israelites did not remain confined to Goshen or even to Egypt proper, but spread into the southern Palestinian territory, then under Egyptian control, and even engaged in skirmishes with the Philistines.”

“When the bulk of the nation had left Egypt and was wandering in the Wilderness, these Israelite settlers had thrown off their Egyptian allegiance. And it is these settlements which Merneptah boasts of having devastated during his Canaanite campaign. There is, therefore, no cogent reason for dissenting from the current view that the Pharaoh of the Oppression was Rameses II, with his son Merneptah as the Pharaoh of the Exodus.”

The Rabbi then compares Levantine sites, I think 3 of them are pretty interesting!

°Lachish: The archaeological evidence indicates that there was an occupation at Lachish which was terminated by a destruction around 1200 BCE, and an occupation which was terminated by a destruction in the reign of Ramesses III (1184-1153 BCE).[75]

°Ai (= Et-Tell). The archaeological evidence indicates that this area was entirely deserted from around 2400 BCE to around 1200 BCE, when a new smaller occupation seems to have begun peacefully.[76]

°Yeriho: The archaeological evidence indicates that there was a conflagration and destruction at Yeriho in approximately 1550 BCE.[77] There was minimal occupation thereafter, without any wall, in the period from about 1400-1275 BCE.[78] There is no evidence of any occupation in the period from about 1275-1100 BCE.[79]

I will offer my own “spin” on these case studies:

Lachish: with a destruction around 1200 BCE, this fits perfectly with the initial onset of the Philistine invasion on their way to the Egyptian homeland. It was re-occupied with the “fencing in” of the Philistines who are holding a beachhead on the now Philistine coast… terminated by a final destruction around 1184-1153 BCE. This indicates the Egyptians are losing ground against the restive Pelest!

Ai (or Et-Tell), was deserted up to around 1200 BCE, when there was a new smaller and peaceful occupation. The Philistines would have uprooted many settlements as they created “elbow room” for their invasion of Egpyt. Ai would fit the facts.

And lastly, Yeriho (or Jericho or City of Palms), which seems to have been a conquered Hyksos redoubt before the Amarna age texts, occupation doesn’t begin again until between 1275 to 1100 BCE. If the Hebrew had anything to do with its final elimination, 1100 BCE would fit very well with an Exodus march out of Egypt sometime after the Philistines had bottled the Egyptians up, circa 1130 BCE.

I’d like to conclude with something from Footnote 41, dealing with the usually mysterious context surrounding the populating of Ephraim and Manessah:
“The early Israelite settlements are particularly found in the areas of Ephraim and Menashe”.

“Beginning in 1978, Adam Zertal conducted an extensive survey of the history of the settlement in Menashe [aka Manessah]. Among his conclusions:”

“- In the period from 1550-1200 BCE, the number of settlements sharply declined in comparision to the period 1750-1550 BCE, with only one quarter of the sites remaining. In the period from 1550-1200 BCE, no new sites were established.”

“- There was a considerable increase in settlements during the period from 1200-1000 BCE.”

[Okay – this is not GBrooks writing this paragraph, but Merv Bitikofer inserting a mischievous paragraph here just for an unauthorized experiment. If anybody has read this far through such a long post and spots this, please respond to me and the world below to claim your public accolades for meticulous and thorough study, and to appropriately chastise me for losing my little private bet here. (Sorry, George! --sort of – well actually we’ll see, won’t we!) This edit added on 6-8-2018. The words after this paragraph are George’s again.]

These details fit beautifully into a post-Philistine reality (with or without a post-Philistine Exodus):
The Philistines follow an assertive pattern (which is even emulated in the David stories), where the Philistines extract their control over the central Israel much as Egypt once did. In fact, we see that while Canaan seemed to have prospered considerably with the Hyksos filling a “pipeline” of Egyptian valuables to the Levant, once Egpyt begins its control over what will become the “rear echelon” of their opposition to the Hittites, the pressures exerted on the Canaanites seems to have been relatively crushing. Towns disappear, as those Canaanites who know how to flee - - flee!

But then we see a surge in the settlements for some 200 years… which fits the timeline of Philistines driving refugees up into the hinterland … from 1200 BCE to about 1000 BCE. After 1000 BCE, the vigor does seem to have returned to these refugees… and the Philistines spend the next few centuries in a holding action against the people that they are becoming more and more like.
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Footnotes:
[38] For example, the daughter of the Pharaoh of the Oppression found the baby Moses at a site on the Nile. From here, Miriam was easily able to run home to fetch her mother (Ex.2:1-10). Also, the Pharaoh of the Exodus was able to summon Moses and Aaron to his palace in the middle of the night (Ex. 12:30-31).

[39] Nahum M. Sarna, Exploring Exodus (1986), p. 10 and Ian Wilson, Exodus: The True Story (1985), p. 23. The 17th Dynasty operated out of Thebes as well, ruling the southern part of the country, while the Hyksos ruled the northern part of the country from Avaris. Sarna, p. 16.

[40] Wilson, p. 23. Ramesses II built his city and palace at Pi-Ramesse around this earlier palace. Hoffmeier, Israel in Egypt, p. 123.

Excavations beginning in the early 1990s at Tell el-Dab‘a/Ezbet Helmi, very close to Pi-Ramesse, have now revealed two palaces which were in use in the period from 1550-1400 BCE. See Manfried Bietak, “The Palatial Precinct at the Nile Branch (Area H),”;. But the main Egyptian capital still seems to have been Thebes in this period.

[41] See Israel Finkelstein, The Archaeology of the Israelite Settlements (1988), p. 353; Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman, The Bible Unearthed (2002), pp. 107-115, and William G. Dever, Who Were the Early Israelites and Where Did They Come From? (2003), pp. 97-99, 154-155, and 167. The early Israelite settlements are particularly found in the areas of Ephraim and Menashe.

Beginning in 1978, Adam Zertal conducted an extensive survey of the history of the settlement in Menashe. Among his conclusions:

-In the period from 1550-1200 BCE, the number of settlements sharply declined in comparision to the period 1750-1550 BCE, with only one quarter of the sites remaining. In the period from 1550-1200 BCE, no new sites were established.

-There was a considerable increase in settlements during the period from 1200-1000 BCE.

See Ralph K. Hawkins, “The Survey of Manasseh and the Origin of the Central Hill Country Settlers,” in Richard S. Hess et al, eds., Critical Issues in Early Israelite History (2008), pp. 167-68.

Those who argue for a 15th century BCE Exodus and Conquest can take the position that the Israelites lived pastorally for their first 200 years, and that this accounts for the lack of archaeological evidence for their settlement. See, e.g., Paul Ray, “Classical Models for the Appearance of Israel in Palestine,” in Critical Issues, p. 93. Such a position is very much out of the mainstream today.

[42] Hoffmeier, What is the Biblical Date, pp. 241-42, based on Shmuel Ahituv, Canaanite Toponyms in Ancient Egyptian Documents (1984).

[43] There are references in Egyptian texts from the 13th and 12th centuries BCE to a place called ’Isr. ’Isr has been equated by some with the Israelite tribe of אשר. See, e.g., Ray, p. 84, n. 3. But the identification should probably be rejected. See Kitchen, Ramesside Inscriptions, vol. 1 (1993), pp. 40-41.

Manfred Görg argues that there is an inscription which provides evidence of Israel’s existence in the 15th century BCE. The inscription itself dates to the 13th century BCE, but based on the spellings, Görg suggests the names were copied from a 15th century BCE source. The inscription refers to Ashkelon, Canaan, and a third toponym. The third toponym is only partially preserved. If it is restored to spell “Israel,” the spelling would be slightly different from the spelling of Israel on the Merneptah Stele. Hoffmeier writes that “Gorg’s reading of this name…is plagued by serious linguistic and orthographic problems that preclude it from being Israel.” Hoffmeier, What is the Biblical Date, p. 241.

[44] Ibid., p. 242

[45] Judges 3:31, 10:7 and 13:1.

[46] Kitchen, On the Reliability, pp. 339-340 and EJ 13:399.

[47] In the 12th century BCE, the Egyptian grip on Canaan began to loosen considerably, so the Israelites could have operated with little Egyptian interference. Hoffmeier, What is the Biblical Date, pp. 242-43. According to Lawrence F. Stager, “the Egyptians maintained some control over parts of Canaan until just after the death of Rameses III in 1153 BCE.” See his “Forging an Identity: The Emergency of Ancient Israel,” p. 123, in Michael D. Coogan, ed., The Oxford History of the Biblical World (1998). See also Carol A. Redmount, “Bitter Lives: Israel in and out of Egypt,” Ibid., pp. 117-118.

[48] More recently, scholars have been spelling his name Merenptah. I have followed the traditional spelling.

Merneptah was the 13th son of Ramesses II. Ramesses II outlived the first twelve.

[49] A region called רעמסס was mentioned earlier at Gen. 47:11. רעמסס is also mentioned as the place the Israelites began their departure from. See Ex. 12:37 and Num. 33:3,5.

As to Pitom, this is the only time this place is mentioned in Tanach. Many suggest it means “the house of Atum” (see, e.g., Hoffmeier, Israel in Egypt, p. 119, and Daat Mikra to Ex. 1:11), in which case we would be looking for a site where the god Atum had a special position. There are various theories as to its location. See Hoffmeier, Israel in Egypt, pp. 119-121. Papyrus Anastasi 6 refers to “the pools of Pithom-of-Merneptah.” Herodotus (2:158), 5th cent. BCE, refers to a town called Patoumos.

[50] There were other Pharaohs named Ramesses thereafter, starting with Ramesses III in 1184 BCE. But a 12th century BCE Pharaoh of the Oppression would considerably compress the period of the Judges, and be egregiously inconsistent with the 480 year and 300 year verses mentioned above. Also, a 12th century BCE Pharaoh of the Oppression followed by 40 years of desert wandering would not fit the archaeological evidence that shows that Israelite settlement began in the late 13th and early 12th centuries BCE.

[51] Kitchen, On the Reliability, p. 255. The city and palace at Pi-Ramesse were built around an earlier palace built at this location by Seti I. Ibid., p. 256. Pi-Ramesse was abandoned as a royal residence around 1130 BCE.

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[64] See, e.g., I Chronicles 7:20-24. The events described here imply that Ephraim and his sons and daughter were living in Israel, not Egypt. See Y. Zakovitch and A. Shinan, Lo Kach Katuv be-Tanach (2004), pp. 145-150, and Gary N. Knoppers, I Chronicles 1-9 (The Anchor Bible) (2003), pp. 464-65.

[65] The Pentateuch and Haftorahs (2d. ed. 1975), p. 395 (Exodus-Additional Notes).
An interesting suggestion was made by Abraham Malamat. The Bible implies that the Exodus occurred over a relatively brief period, i.e., that it was a “punctual” event. But perhaps it was a “durative” event (=an event which spanned a long period of time), and involved a steady flow of Israelites out of Egypt over hundreds of years. If it was a durative event, the search for a specific date is not the correct approach. All we really should be looking for is the peak period, when Moses was their leader and the highest percentage left. See his “Let My People Go and Go and Go and Go,” BAR Jan.-Feb. 1998, pp. 62-66. A longer version of this article is included in Ernest S. Frerichs and Leonard H. Lesko, eds., Exodus: The Egyptian Evidence (1997).

[66] I believe Hertz is referring to I Chronicles 7:20-24, but he is giving a different interpretation than the one I just suggested.

[67] Specifically: Tehenu, Hatti, Canaan, Ashkelon, Gezer, Yanoam, and Hurru. “Nine Bows” has a bow as a determinative, but this was not a city-state or land.

[68] For example, Sarna writes (p. 13):
[I]t may be concluded that… [at the time of the Stele] the people of Israel was located in Canaan, but had not yet settled down within definable borders. Its presence there was of recent origin, so that the Exodus would have taken place in the course of the thirteenth century BCE.

[69] Hasel, Israel in the Merneptah Stela, pp. 53-54.

[70] See the two articles by Hasel cited previously. See also his “Merenptah’s Reference to Israel: Critical Issues for the Origin of Israel,” in Critical Issues, pp. 47-59.

[71] Of course, there are always questions of whether archaeology has identified the correct site. Even if a name similar to the Biblical name has been preserved at a village or tel, the Biblical name may refer instead to the larger region. Moreover, even if the correct site has been identified, typically only 5% of each site is dug. Kitchen, On the Reliability, p. 183.

[72] But it must be stressed that there is little reason to expect that the victories of the Israelites would have left archaeological traces of destruction in most instances. The Israelite victories over a city and its people are typically described only by the terms ויכה and ויכוה, and the underlying Israelite goal was only to kill the leaders and the inhabitants. The cities themselves were eventually to be occupied by the Israelites. The victories described in the book of Joshua can be viewed mainly as disabling raids. After their victories, the Israelites did not attempt to hold the areas; they remained based at Gilgal. Kitchen, On the Reliability, p. 162. Only in the cases of Jericho, Ai and Hazor does the book of Joshua specify that the city was burnt, something that can be tested for archaeologically. See Kitchen, On the Reliability, pp. 183 and 189-90, and Hoffmeier, Israel in Egypt, pp. 33-44.

It has also been observed that the descriptions of the conquests in the book of Joshua are formulaic and use rhetorical language, suggesting that they are somewhat exaggerated. The continuing presence of the Canaanites in Canaan after the time of Joshua is seen from the book of Judges.

[73] A similar analysis must also be conducted with regard to how a 13th century BCE Exodus squares with the cities in Transjordan mentioned in the book of Numbers as conquered by the Israelites (e.g., Arad, Heshbon, Dibon, and Edrei). Compare Kitchen’s analysis, On the Reliability, pp. 190-196 with Dever’s analysis at pp. 23-35.

[74] Dever, pp. 66-68. Judges 4:2 describes the Israelites as having been handed over to Yavin, king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor. But this was many years later and the city may have been rebuilt by this time. Soncino, comm. to Judges 4:2.

[76] Joseph Callaway, “Ai,” in David Noel Freedman, ed., The Anchor Bible Dictionary (1992), vol. 1, pp. 125-30, and Kitchen, On the Reliability, p. 188.

[77] See above, Part II.

[78] Kitchen, On the Reliability, p. 187.

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