Then so too is Heliocentrism.
“However, it is different to want to affirm that in reality the sun is at the center of the world and only turns on itself, without moving from east to west, and the earth is in the third heaven and revolves with great speed around the sun; this is a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture false.”
–Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615
And?
Why do you do this?
Draw connections where there aren’t any!
Biblical faith does not rely on science, period. You can criticise, mock or do what you like, it doesn’t matter.
And your condescension is not good either.
Don’t judge. leave them be.
Richard
Heliocentrism dictates what is Biblical truth in the very same way Evolution does. So why aren’t you as vocal about Heliocentrism?
Not in the same way at all.
Heliotropism is not self created, evolution is!
You know very well I do not conform to flat earth or ANE cosmology.
But you never understood why I single out Evolution and probably never will.
Richard
How so?
What is Heliotropism, what does it have to do with this conversation, and what do you mean by “self created”?
You can’t expect us to understand what you never discuss.
A misspelling.
That is tone of the points of Genesis 1 that science disputes. The scientific Big bang creates itself. Genesis says God did it (specifically)
I have explained it more times than I can remember, You didn’t understand then, why should you now. I will give you a clue, it has nothing to do with the scientific method and everything to do with ethics and philosophy.
(Barred subjects, apparently, at least, when talking about scientific theories)
Richard
What does that have to do with either evolution or Heliocentrism?
You have never discussed it.
Irrelevant subjects, actually. As you can see, no one is stopping you from discussing them.
Same difference. You will not consider them, so you will noit understand
Forget it. Same thing applies. (and I did not include Heliocentrism, you did.)
Richard
Then show how they are relevant. I can’t understand what you refuse to discuss.
This is why people don’t understand you. You refuse to explain yourself.
I do, but you only look at the previous post, you forget the dozens of conversations over the years… I am not even convinced you remember previous posts within a specific thread.
By the way Heliocentrism is not accurate because in the wider scheme of things the sun is also in motion it is only that the earth’s movement is relative to it
(But that has nothing to do with scripture or theology)
There is no point in me wasting my time explaining the relevance to something you have already dismissed.
Richard
Then you can’t complain that people don’t understand you when you refuse to explain yourself.
Why did you come to this conclusion? The Bible says the Earth doesn’t move, but you accept science which shows the Earth moving about the Sun, a solar system moving about the galactic center, and a galaxy moving about the barycenter of the Laniakea Supercluster? That’s a lot of moving, contrary to what the Bible says. This is science dictating to the Bible, is it not? So how do you square this?
I would be more than happy to change my mind if you put a good argument forward.
It has nothing to do with the Bible. I know, you know it, Stop muck raking
But I have, you just do not remember.
You just ask the same stuff over and over. You might change the example but the questions are still the same. And so are the answers.
I do not believes you, and besides, I know what “evidence” you need and I cannot give it.
I have had more than enough of this
Richard
“However, it is different to want to affirm that in reality the sun is at the center of the world and only turns on itself, without moving from east to west, and the earth is in the third heaven and revolves with great speed around the sun; this is a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture false.”
–Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615
No you haven’t.
Science says how, not why. And Georges Lemaître, the “father” of the Big Bang theory, would disagree with your characterization of his work.
Your argument seems to be with the Big Bang or Origin of Life theories. Biological evolution is a theory that only starts with the first life, however it originated, and attempts to explain how the multitude of forms could have arisen from that. It isn’t self-created.
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