Hell , death and the 2nd death?

(Jay Johnson) #61

Yes, and if I may refer back to one of my previous posts:

So, just as we must grow and mature in physical life, we also grow and mature in spiritual life. I believe this was Paul’s point in 1 Cor. 13:

“8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.”

Although we are physically mature, having outgrown the thinking and behavior of children, until “completeness comes” we are still in our spiritual childhood. When we are born of the Spirit, we are infants, dependent on others for nourishment. As we grow and mature, we become like the newly weaned child, which goes back to @JRM’s comment on Psalm 131. Another name for the maturation process is sanctification, and another name for the goal of sanctification is Christlikeness, when we finally fulfill our destiny as imago Dei. Since we don’t reach that point until the resurrection, my conclusion is that all of us are children, in spiritual terms. Perhaps this is why we see so many temper tantrums over theological issues? :wink:

(Ryan weatherly) #62

Indeed , I would agree , just like sibling rivalry …
The toddler can’t always do what the older children can …not everyone is at the same mile marker on their journey …
Jealousy , covetousness , etc etc …

Further not everyone has the same task set before them .

Each called according to HIS purpose , not everyone has the same gifts at the same time

(Jay Johnson) #63

Lots of good thoughts there, not to mention sermon topics. :grinning:


Try William Barclay’s interpretation of - - -

Matthew 25:46 where it is said that the rejected go away to eternal punishment, and the righteous to eternal life. The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. I think it is true to say that in all Greek secular literature kolasis is never used of anything but remedial punishment. The word for eternal isaionios. It means more than everlasting, for Plato - who may have invented the word - plainly says that a thing may be everlasting and still not be aionios. The simplest way to out it is that aionios cannot be used properly of anyone but God; it is the word uniquely, as Plato saw it, of God. Eternal punishment is then literally that kind of remedial punishment which it befits God to give and which only God can give.

Or you can read his whole argument here: