God Personally Controls The Weather

Personally, I think you are unwittingly setting up a false dichotomy here. Ie. If the Bible says God controls the weather then naturally process cannot.

Reality: Does God control the weather? Yes. Do a complex set of meteorological rules control the weather? Yes.

Disbarring miracles for a mo, how does God control the weather? Through his divine providence. How is that providence worked out? Through the complex meteorological rules, which, ultimately, originated in the mind of God.

Sorry Cody, but this is a non starter for me, and that is even before we get on the the subject of the genre and authoral intent of the verses you quoted. Eg. Is the genre of Jer 14:22 scientific discourse? Is Jeremiah/The Holy Spirit’s intent in that verse to teach Israel a lesson about the water cycle?

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I figure most of you have read the scriptures a lot and figure you understand them, but I would encourage you to read some of the references in my post. Read where God said He would control the rain and why, the specifics. Read and understand that God told before hand drought was coming and that He was causing it and why He would cause it.
Joseph in Egypt, the drought in Elijah’s time. Amos 4:7 is a very open and plain word from God of what He did. Jer 14:22 asks, “Do any of the worthless idols of the nations bring rain? (Answer, NO) Do the skies themselves send down showers?(Answer, NO) No, it is you, O Lord our God.(Since it it God personally and not false gods or just the natural process of the sky, his response is) Therefore our hope is in you, for you are the one who does all this.”
Because God is intimately involved in His creation we can put all our trust in Him.

In Jeremiah 14:22

It is clear Jeremiah is not trying to describe the process that generates rain. He is saying quite clearly that God is in control of the rain. When you think back over the OT it is quite clear that God is presented as being in charge of every natural event of which the people in the ANE were aware. The Bible doesn’t concern itself with how (and in fact often gets that wrong) but with why.

One more suggestion. Take off the glasses of a carnal mind and mans all knowing knowledge of God’s creation and read them fresh with the eye of faith(trust) in God, The Lord Almighty, maker of heaven and earth.
May God give you understanding in His ways.

I have one for you Cody. Since you believe scripture trumps science.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/%3Fsearch=Deuteronomy%2B22:13-21&version=NASB&interface=amp

In those verses it is saying when a man sleeps with his virgin wife if she does not bleed, staining the garment, then he can accuse her of adultery and if the garment is found without a blood stain she can be stoned to death.

Now science nowdays says that not every woman bleeds. Scientist and educated people constantly battle people with that prehistoric mindset in their world countries.

So is it true that every single woman 100% of the time will bleed if she’s a virgin and science is wrong?

I agree with your conclusion, Cody, it is your workings out that I believe are incorrect. Perhaps, I can illustrate this by applying your same Bible reading method used to draw your conclusion about the weather to Psalm 104:5 (NIV2011). Psalm 104:5 says:

He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

The verse is clear is it not; are these not God’s words? The earth cannot be moved. We should therefore conclude that the sun does in fact orbit the earth and not vice versa. In fact, since the earth can never be moved, it must therefore be the point around which the entire universe rotates. No more than this, since it cannot be moved, the earth does not even spin on its axis. It is gloriously stationary.

Just “Take off the glasses of a carnal mind and mans all knowing knowledge of God’s creation and read [Psalm 104:5] fresh with the eye of faith(trust) in God, The Lord Almighty, maker of heaven and earth.” and it all becomes clear. The Earth does not move; everything moves around it. End of discussion. Don’t you agree, Cody?

I’m not making fun of you here, Cody, I am genuinely trying to show how your bible reading method is tying you in countless knots by essentially putting words in the mouth of scripture.

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NB: I’ve no problem with God’s miraculous use of the weather for blessing or judgement. I just don’t believe those miracles represent God’s usual way of controlling the weather. They are the exception, not the rule.

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@LM77

Maybe you can agree with this general principle:

When God uses natural processes to execute his will (from weather patterns to non-human primates evolving into humans), we can all that PROVIDENTIAL activity by God.

Jesus being born god is a one-off event is most usually categorized as a miracle!

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Thanks @gbrooks9, that’s a great summary. :+1:t2:

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This is just one of the times that God was personally involved in controlling the weather (I am assuming there was no rain during the famine) to produce His desired outcome. God told Pharaoh what He was about to do.

Gen 41:15 Pharaoh said to Joseph, “I had a dream, and no one can interpret it. But I have heard it said of you that when you hear a dream you can interpret it.” 16 “I cannot do it,” Joseph replied to Pharaoh, “but God will give Pharaoh the answer he desires.” 25 Then Joseph said to Pharaoh, "The dreams of Pharaoh are one and the same. God has revealed to Pharaoh what he is about to do . 26 The seven good cows are seven years, and the seven good heads of grain are seven years; it is one and the same dream. 27 The seven lean, ugly cows that came up afterward are seven years, and so are the seven worthless heads of grain scorched by the east wind: They are seven years of famine. 28 "It is just as I said to Pharaoh: God has shown Pharaoh what he is about to do . 29 Seven years of great abundance are coming throughout the land of Egypt, 30 but seven years of famine will follow them. Then all the abundance in Egypt will be forgotten, and the famine will ravage the land. 31 The abundance in the land will not be remembered, because the famine that follows it will be so severe. 32 The reason the dream was given to Pharaoh in two forms is that the matter has been firmly decided by God, and God will do it soon.

This is a predetermined and God acting event. He is personally in control of it. Not arbitrary weather patterns. It brought Israel to Egypt and later God raised up Pharaoh for the purpose of showing His great power in delivering Israel from bondage. It was God’s plan and His personal, hands on involvement that produced the good years and the bad. God is telling Pharaoh “He will do it soon”. Blunt, to the point, no other option. God will do it.

Without this knowledge from God, people would say, “Well it looks like the weather patterns are going to bring us good weather and we should have a good growing season this year.” Then the next year they say, “Well, it looks like the weather patterns are looking like last year so we should have another good growing season.” And ect. Then on the eighth year they say, “Well, this year looks like the weather isn’t going to give us a good growing season.” The next year, the same weather happens and a famine is created.

Now man in all his knowledge could see the weather patterns but his willful ignorance of God, blinds him to what God is doing. It’s no different today, man’s blindness and willful ignorance of the Sovereign ruler of all creation, allows him to see the near potential effects of the weather and therefore they say, “God is not involved, it’s all just natural processes ”. Man in his ignorance does not glorify the creator of heaven and earth. They declare themselves to have knowledge and wisdom and that they don’t need God. They have made themselves to be gods and whether they say it or not, they want to shake off the chains of submission to God, but God will say, Ps 2:1 Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain? 2 The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against his Anointed One. 3 “Let us break their chains,” they say, “and throw off their fetters.” 4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them. 5 Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying, 6 "I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill."

So should we be hiring Bible scholars and/or prophets for our weather forecasters rather than meteorologists, Cody?

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The God of theism certainly interacts with His creation and I have no doubt that there are occasions when He influences the weather for His purpose but that does not equal controlling the weather all the time. Likewise I have no doubt there are occasions when God influences the events in our lives for His purpose but that doesn’t mean that everything happens because God wants such things to happen. The Bible is very clear that lots of things happen which God doesn’t like and doesn’t want to happen at all. Participation is not control. God is a shepherd, teacher, and parent, NOT a control freak, watchmaker, or artist/writer painting/writing our lives to indulge His self expression in our joys and tragedies (nor the Deistic mad scientist tinkering and watching with curiosity). At least the former and not the latter is the God I believe in – one who chose love, life, and freedom over power and control as the things of greater value.

The mathematics of the weather is well understood. But that understanding includes chaotic dynamics which make predicting the weather exponentially more difficult the farther into the future you go. It leaves considerable room for a all-knowing all powerful Deity to stick His hands in things when needed. But most of the time, the weather has no influence on the things which really interest Him so I doubt He has much reason to bother with it. I think He is far more interested in seeing us take responsibility for our own lives now that we can.

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No, Christian meteorologists will work, that way God would get the glory when they acknowledge Him for what He is doing. But that’s the way it should be in all things, whether it’s a used car salesman, trash man, teacher, politician, ect. In all things at all times in all ways, let God be glorified. As the angels in Heaven say, Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty, the whole earth is filled with His glory.

Only if they can fully understand the mind of God and know what He is planning to do. Otherwise we are better off just using the models.

Why limit God to just “some of the time”? If He can do it once He can do it every time.

I answered that question. When someone asks a question when they are apparently not interested in an answer then we call that a “rhetorical question.” It means the question is asked for the sake of rhetoric alone – in this case to make all about what God can do rather than what God actually does do. God CAN do a lot of things which He does not do. God can strike you dead by lightning right this minute, but that does not mean He will do so. Not everyone is so obsessed with power and control that they will grasp for any power they can get their hands on – indeed this is typically the behavior of those who feel they have less power and control over things.

Whether He controls it 24/7 I can’t say but when you say His miraculous use of the weather for blessing or judgment you need to realize that blessings and judgments can last for a very long time. With Joseph it was 14 years, Elijah it was 3 ½ years and if Israel would have stayed faithful indefinitely He would have blessed them in the same manner.

As usual my issue is with people who turn the accounts of God’s interaction with man into ANE thought, customs or ect. By saying He does not control the weather or only once in a millennium, is declaring what He said in the scripture is a lie or is made up by man. It takes away the glory that belongs to Him.

When Elijah commanded the rain to stop it covered a very large area and affected multitudes of people for 3 ½ years. This increases my trust in God to see how he answered Elijah’s prayer. Not a one moment, one location miracle but the continuous workings of our Sovereign Lord of all creation. Doesn’t that just boost your faith? Meditate on that, let it sink in. Read the other scripture references if you haven’t. Don’t try to defend yourself or prove me wrong, just read the scriptures and let them overwhelm you. God has always been intimately involved with His creation from, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” to this very moment. If He is not, then what good is trusting Him and presenting our request to Him. Many requests that we make of Him will involve Him being intimately involved within us and with others and with His creation.

James 5:16- The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective. 7 Elijah was a man just like us. He prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the land for three and a half years. 18 Again he prayed, and the heavens gave rain, and the earth produced its crops.

Wouldn’t you get in trouble in the secular workplace by giving Christians preferential treatment and not hiring, say, Jews?

Another problem I’m seeing with God as the weather god is that climate change is causing extreme weather-- more intense and dangerous hurricanes, floods, etc. Shouldn’t we be working to stop climate change, or is that God dialing everything up?

In this present time, God does not get the glory He deserves. I answered according to what is righteous and true and the way it should be. It would be proper for all of humanity to give glory to God all the days of their lives.
Those of use who love Jesus are just sojourners in this life. This is not my true home. I’m looking for a city who’s builder and maker is God.
I was crucified with Christ and risen with Him so my citizenship is not of this world.

I have no idea or conviction if the climate is changing any more than other times in mankind’s history and if it is, I don’t know if it’s because of what mankind is doing. If you truly believe it is and it’s your fault than you should follow your conviction and do everything you can to help stop it. I have no problem with that.

I do know that it won’t be humanity that destroys this planet, it will be God.

2 Peter 3:3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.