Getting the basics wrong

How am I lying to myself? Please be specific. I noticed that you failed to address this part of my post:

" The theory of evolution predicts which combinations of features we should find in fossils if the theory is correct and which combinations of features we should not see. For example, the theory predicts that there was once species with a mixture of bird and dinosaur features, but no species with a mixture of bird and mammal features. This is called a scientific hypothesis. We then test this hypothesis by cataloguing the mixture of features in fossils and comparing them to the predictions made by the hypothesis. It turns out, the observations match the predictions. This is how science works."

Care to respond?

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That’s got nothing to do with scientism, so yes, it is.

Especially given the rest of your post:

That argument applies to murder victims too. Accepting one and rejecting the other is inconsistent.

Because it is not empiracle in the sense of viewing what happens. it is coroborative.

If you cannot understand what I mean, find someone who can show you…

Fulfilling predictions just proves that you knew what you were looking for and found it. i can do that with Scripture if you like. it desn’t make it right.

Richard

You don’t observe the theory. I explained this in the third post of this thread. You are getting the basics wrong.

All of science works through corroborative evidence. If you reject this evidence for evolution, then you should reject all of science for the exact same reason.

That is true for all of science.

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Elliott Sober, (Philosophy, U of Wisconsin-Madison) has published a number interesting articles and books along the subject of evolution and science over his career in philosophy of science. Definitely worth checking out.

No, you are dictating the paramteters and methodology.

And?

There is no law that says if it works here it must work there! The wold does not work like that.

False dichotomy.

it is thinking like that that causes divisions.

You are trying to make a cake using the ingredients and methods of Dough.

Both baking! So what!

Richard

I don’t dictate how science is done. The scientific method existed before I was ever born, and it continues the same today. You are just wrong. You don’t observe the theory.

If you applied your criticisms of evolution fairly to all of science it would require you to reject all of science. What does that tell you about your criticisms of evolution as a science?

I am proposing no dichotomy. I am saying there is no difference between the theory of evolution and any other theory in science. YOU are the one creating a false dichotomy between evolution and the rest of science, even though the theory of evolution is a product of the scientific method in the very same way that all other scientific theories are a product of that very same method.

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ANd we have had this argumment over and ove and over and over again.

You were wrong then, you are wrong now.

Richard

How am I wrong?

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To be honest, I think many readers have seen enough to reach a decision at this point.

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Look it up.

I am not gonig over it again, and again, and again!

Richard

You’ve never gone over it once.

How am I wrong? How is this not a viable scientific hypothesis?

“The theory of evolution predicts which combinations of features we should find in fossils if the theory is correct and which combinations of features we should not see. For example, the theory predicts that there was once species with a mixture of bird and dinosaur features, but no species with a mixture of bird and mammal features. This is called a scientific hypothesis. We then test this hypothesis by cataloguing the mixture of features in fossils and comparing them to the predictions made by the hypothesis. It turns out, the observations match the predictions. This is how science works.”

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You wouldn’t know. You never remember anything you do not agree with, or think further than the current post.

I am not going to do this.

In fact, I have already covered it with the illustration about baking that you ignored!

Richard

You aren’t going to do it because you can’t.

The most basic concept in the scientific method is that theory/hypothesis and data are two separate things. You don’t observe the hypothesis or theory. You test the theory with observations. This is exactly what I have done with the mixture of features in fossils which are empirical observations.

Using your same logic, you would also reject the findings of forensic scientists because “they are just seeing what they want to see”. Physicists are just seeing the orbits of planets follow the predictions of Einstein and Newton’s equations because that’s what physicists want to see. Your criticism applies to every single piece of science.

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Nice try.

Richard

Edit.

The only reason I can’t explain it to you is because you either willfully or inately cannot understand it.
Some people can’t play chess or do quadratic equations. You have a problem with some principles or concepts. Ces la vie.

No. The reason you can’t explain it is because you are wrong.

For example, we can use Einstein’s equations to accurately predict a precession in Mercury’s orbit, and we observe that very precession. You, on the other had, would reject this as supporting the theory of relativity because physicists are just seeing what they want to see, and it could be caused by the supernatural. Your criticisms of the theory of evolution and the evidence that supports it apply to all of science, and in application they require the rejection of science itself.

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So it’s exactly like how forensic scientists prove guilt in a court of law for a crime they never witnessed - which you said was “a false comparison”.

We understand exactly what you mean, we know why it doesn’t work, and we know why you bale out every time you’re asked to explain it.

So much for teaching science.

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I see no evidence of that. i just see dismissal. You clearly do not want to know.

Richard

This is dismissal:

“Fulfilling predictions just proves that you knew what you were looking for and found it.”–RichardG

Of course you don’t. Just as you see no similarity between palaeontology and forensics.

That’s dismissal.