Examples of irreducible complexity?

Let’s see . . . today is Friday, so I believe in abiogenesis. Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays I go the other way.

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Is God able to make timing and events in the physical world conform to his will without breaking any of the laws of nature which he has instituted?

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I don’t know. Do you?

Your assertion doesn’t make any sense. Why would an (alleged) biological process (to wit: evolution) that can (allegedly) be explained by purely mechanisms lead anyone to believe in a Creator? Atheists (eg, Richard Dawkins) understandably cite evolution as a reason to not believe in a Creator!

Because evolution is at least as grand in elegance and operation as anything in the heavens. As the couple of computer majors in our informal intelligent design club put it, it is a masterpiece of programming that makes human software look like child’s play.

The heavens can “be explained by purely mechanisms”, and they declare the glory of God.
The same is true of physics; our informal intelligent design club had some of those, too.

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Yes, I do, and I expect you do too, if you would halfway think about it. Does God answer prayer? Does he always have to perform a supernatural miracle in doing so? Have you had no providential interventions in your life? Read a little about George Müller and the multitude of his prayers and God’s answers in his life.

There is an amazing amount of variety and diversity in the evolution of the heavens, but it would seem to pale in comparison to the sheer diversity and complexity produced by biological evolution! How would you assign a degree?

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Because it is awe inspiring that such a kaleidoscope of grandeur can arise from such a parsimony of basic rules and forces of nature. To me that is much more elegant than here a dog, there a cow, now a tree…

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Seeing as I lack a degree either in evolution or the heavens, I’m reluctant to try assigning one.
:laughing:

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Well said .

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According to CS Lewis in his book Miracles, this is a sign of influence of a naturalist mind set.

He might not have had he had a better understanding of molecular and cellular biology.

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Thinking that evolution points to a Creator is “a sign of influence of a naturalist mind set”?
I suppose then that the Psalmist was under the influence of a natural mindset when he wrote:

The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

It’s been years since I read Miracles, but somehow I doubt that Lewis thought that seeing God in the sublime elegance of nature had anything to do with a naturalist mindset.

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You know how God makes things conform to his will? Wow. How does God let you know things that only God can know? Emails? lol.

I wouldn’t have a clue … and neither do you. Please stop talking rubbish and making idiotic claims to divine knowledge. You’re making a fool of yourself.

You think evolution - a process that can allegedly be explained by purely natural mechanisms - is more impressive than a man being raised from the dead? Fascinating.

I must have forgotten. Where did I state that?

There is no dichotomy. Accepting evolution does not indicate deism, or that miracles are impossible. It just means, that even as we normally go though the course of our days subject to natural law, so too has the history of the planet. Clear thinking informed by pervasive evidence confirms this.

And yes, I do find creation pretty impressive. We are fearfully and wonderfully made.

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This is not what I said. According to CS Lewis To be attracted by the idea that everything in nature is solely based on some basic rules and forces of nature, that is a sign of influence of a naturalistic mindset. I read Miracles last Christmas (however in Dutch). Lewis writes that The naturalistic worldview is, that nature is fundamentally democratic structured. The supranaturalist worldview is, that nature has a monargistic structure. In Dutch on page 85 of Miracles, Lewis states that only supranaturalists have a good sense of nature since they have the correct view on it.

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that’s an interesting viewpoint. Thank you! I’m going to have to think on that. I should try to read it visually rather than by Audible.

That’s kind of sad that you have not experienced any, or even know of any, of God’s providential interventions. You should read about George Müller or Maggie. In his orchestration of all of those cool providences no natural laws were broken by the God who is wonderfully sovereign over time and place, timing and placing. I agree, you are clueless – no argument there!

Not as much as someone else who will remain monikered ‘Buzzard’. :grin:

That makes the same mistake as @Buzzard, and as Ron @rsewell noted well, things operate normally from day to day:

It also makes the same mistake as YECs notoriously do in ignoring Jeremiah 33:25:

This is what the LORD says: If I have not established my covenant with the day and the night and the fixed laws of heaven and earth…

Jeremiah had a naturalistic mindset? I don’t think so.

That does not mean supranaturalists cannot be mistaken about the validity of God’s use of evolution.

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