Evolución y Genesis

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It says God abandoned us and let evil reign.

In Paul’s perspective that means God is the reason why evil is rife. We are just pawns in a bigger battle. Yes, we could have been better, but God gave up on us.

Richard

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Since when did people know what is good for them, or want it?

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That’s what God’s wrath is: letting go and stop interfering. We do the evil.

When they have been in a good place and turned bad, and refuse change, there’s no point doing any more for them – grace in that situation just encourages evil.

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You see that’s the trouble with taking passages away from the whole.

Why would God give us this perfect understanding of Love and then not comply with it. If God is Love, as we claim then there can be no wrath. And as for Genesis 3!
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs

Never mind, I guess the Holy Spirit got it wrong then.

Ouch.

Richard

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So again you think that most of the writers in the Bible got things wrong.

There is no question that there not only can be but is wrath; the only question is what does that look like? Given that Christ in cleansing the Temple didn’t harm anyone, just overturned tables and such, that wrath can’t look like violence against people.
Scripture is not there for us to chop into pieces to fit our personal views.

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Well one of the has to be.You cannot deny 1 Cor 13, or can you?

Seeing as the Old Testament is the human perception and understanding there is certainly room for human interpretation and error. What they took as wrath or anger might not be so. Do any of the prophets reciting precisely God’s words to them talk about His anger? They say that the people are not doing what God wants, but they do not say He is angry. Even Genesis 3 does not say God got angry, although the response is a little over the top.(and it does remember a wrong)

You will have to work it out for yourself, if you can be bothered. Probably easier just to carry on and ignore such contradictions and claim they are not there.

Richard

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It would appear that Ahijah and Jeremiah both claimed God’s anger in prophecy. Not to mention the words of the decologue as written by God.
Unfortunately that doesn’t help you. It still contradicts the properties of Love as decreed in 1 Cor 13.
Perhaps “slow to anger” is allowed?

Your problem, not mine.

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No, they are both true. You just have to think it through.

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Here are some answers:

Adulterous women (Proverbs 22:14)
Fainting (Isaiah 51:20)
Exile (Deuteronomy 29:28)
Gales (Jeremiah 30:23; Ezekiel 13:13)
Destruction of strongholds (Lamentations 2:2)
Earthquakes (Ezekiel 38:19)
Plague (Number 16:47; Revelation 15:1)
Mauling by bears (2 Kings 2:23-24)
Piercing arrow, fire and flash flood (Job 20:24-28)
Burning with sulphur (Revelation 14:10)
Destroying angels (Psalm 78:49)
Impaling on swords, famine and plague (Ezekiel 7:15; Ezekiel 14:21)
Death (1 Chronicles 13:10)
Inferno (Psalm 21:9; Isaiah 9:19; Jeremiah 7:20; Ezekiel 22:21)

Impalement, plague, mauling, burning and death look like violence against people to me.

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:speak_no_evil:

(speak nothing unless it conforms)

Richard