Epistemology and Theistic Evolution

[Christy (Christy Hemphill)]

@adamjedgar

I would also like to see your biblical references for your view too please.

I do not approach theology as a big proof-texting exercise, Adam, nor am I interested in proving to you that I know my Bible or Christian doctrines well. I do. How about you show me the biblical references that contradict anything I have said.

@adamjedgar

interesting, so what then do you theorise is the reason for Jesus incarnation and crucifixion?

You are not interacting with what I wrote. You said the reason for Jesus’ RETURN was to redeem sinners. This is wrong. The result of Jesus’ incarnation and crucifixion was the redemption of sinners, which is what I wrote above.

@adamjedgar

Also, lets not forget Isaiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:23 “his name shall be called Immanuel, God with us”. Clearly, that means that God is very definitely intimately interested and interacts intimately with his creation.

No one disagreed with that. I very clearly stated:

@Christy

Christian TEs believe in the Christian God, who is intimately involved with his creation, united himself with it in the Incarnation, defeated sin and death, and rules the world as a resurrected human, Jesus the Christ.

@adamjedgar

I have already answered the TE error about spiritual death…Jesus died physically and that is clearly because the wages of sin is a physical death (otherwise Jesus did not need to physically die it could have just been a spiritual death, but it clearly wasnt?)

You said stuff. Whether it “answered” is not for you to decide. All humans are mortal and die. The fact that Jesus died a physical death doesn’t prove Adam was created immortal and sin made him mortal. Many Genesis literalist believe he needed access to the tree of life in the Garden in order to not die, and when he was denied access because of sin, eventual death was the consequence. There is no Bible passage that says Adam was created physically immortal. YECs made that up. You will not have “answered” the “error” of death before the fall until you

1. Explain all the passages in this article that shows the Bible does not teach that all physical death is linked to sin, it portrays death differently.
2. Explain the fossil record which clearly shows death before humans existed.

Even if you could do 1) you will fail at 2). So, I’ll stick with my interpretation that harmonizes with the reality we actually live in, not a fiction created by Creationists to satisfy their literalism.

@adamjedgar

(otherwise Jesus did not need to physically die it could have just been a spiritual death, but it clearly wasnt?)

Jesus’ sacrificial death was a metaphor in some ways of the Jewish sacrificial system he fulfilled and did away with. More was going on at the atonement than a blood sacrifice to appease a god though, and if you make it out that all was needed to deal with sin and human mortality was a blood sacrifice of a physical body, that is sub-Christian theology.