Does Death Before the Fall Make God a Liar?

@gbrooks9,

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I included a quote that mentioned both just to show that some people who agree with you about Federal Headship also think the whole Universe is groaning from corruption.
[/quote]Of course they do. A great number of people agree with both FH and the universe groaning from corruption connected with Adam’s sin. My unstudied guess is that most people who have studied the issue agree that the Bible teaches that, or at least that it is a valid biblical interpretation. I think it is probably held more widely among Christians and biblical scholars than you might imagine. But the two (Federal headship and universe groaning) are different issues. That’s why asking about whether Federal Headship extends through the whole Milky Way galaxy doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, and I have never heard anyone argue that it does. But that is not the same as talking about the universe groaning because of the fall.

I do believe that Adam’s sin corrupted the entire universe, but that is not federal headship. Federal headship deals only with the human race and universal human accountability for Adam’s sin, as Christy rightly and helpfully put it.

I will try to bow out here unless there is something new because I think the point has been made and because the bots are telling me I am dominating the conversation (even though you and I are the only ones talking here).

Thanks.