I think the last thing any of us want to do is to make you fall. We cannot want anything more than to see you safe in the arms of Jesus. Please recognize that we also struggle with these issues, and a lot more. Nevertheless, just as we expect Christians who live by grace to be faithful and trustworthy, there is no getting around being faithful and trustworthy on the findings we dig up.
This forum is here to help people who are confused by the triumphalist claims of this rather vociferously aggressive atheist propaganda (because propaganda is all it is). I have read the “Origin of the Species”. Darwin hardly talked in any manner remotely close to Dawkins – not at all the same tone. Although not so much exactly a Christian, there are a couple of very brief sentences that still suggest to me that Darwin believed in God. He dedicatedly and persistently pursued his study and very thoughtfully wrote that book. But like most things in science, such knowledge can be used for good purposes, or abused for ill purposes.
Science is mute on the heavenly matters. Judging the kinds of things that go on under the sun, that is probably a good thing. If we really found the access to the smallest of heavenly tools, we would surely destroy many things on galactic scales with our own unrestrained arrogance and stupidity. So I reckon God put an angel at the gates of Eden for a good reason.
Unfortunately, with science, one can only sit on the fence. We sense the call to live right – if we don’t silence it – but the final decision is faith based and dependent on the heart, not fact based and dependent on intellect.
We will not prove God with science. That is what you are being challenged to do by atheists, and of course you feel impotent. Because you cannot fight back, Dawkins, Krauss et al are free to laugh at you, mockingly saying “where is your god”. Well, yes, we cannot pick up our swords and slaughter the infidels (probably a good thing because I was one of those who mocked so I would also be dead). The righteous must live by faith.
We must trust God’s word. We will not win this by power. We will win this by being faithful stewards of our craft as scientists. We will win this by loving our enemies and praying for those who persecute us. We will win this by keeping faithful to the word and following Jesus. It seems there is no other way. So don’t expect that we have a club and now you go out there and smash those impudent heads. It seems God has decided that we must win this by our faith, by following Jesus and listening to him, and so we should pray more and fervently for that.
And keep this in mind too. Some of the people here are real scientists. We do this everyday, and we labor as though we work for our Lord. If any of us here really stumbled on a good solid powerful proof that worked better than what we have, do you think for one minute that we would not stand up and fight for the truth? That is our job, that is our duty.
So if we argue with you, it is not because we are smug and self-important. We are obliged to tell you what we understand – to the best of our ability. … and yes, we do understand that we could be wrong, but it is not like we have not tried to understand these matters and diligently thought these matters through very carefully and tested all things we could think of. We accept evolution, we don’t believe in it.
That’s good. and maybe I was a little harsh with you on another post. Perhaps you didn’t understand me.
Biology is a very complicated field. Each day, I constantly come to discover how vastly little I know compared to yesterday, even through I read copiously all the time and have fought ceaselessly on trying to understand as much as I could. I cannot think of a field more humbling than biology related research. Everything is a pathetic hack, but, unfortunately, I have to say that evolution was one of the far better hacks I’ve seen. It is a formidable mountain that stands higher than the Himalayas.
Those of us who do science and are also people of faith eventually come to realize that the atheists’ triumphalism is empty words and propaganda. What atheists and people of faith believe (note “believe”) about ultimate reality is a choice of the heart. We look to Jesus because we know we are weak, we know that rationalism is useless in a tough moment and we need the word of God written on our hearts, we believe that there are things that we should do and things we should resist, and we know that we need God’s Grace to discern the path and light the way. Maybe we envy that American thing about beating the chest and boasting our greatness (like a football rally), but it is all foolishness without God. So it is very important to distinguish between faith and science, and not to corrupt science with god or no god stuff. The things of heaven are not measureable with our instruments, and that is how it will have to be, it seems.
Indeed, I also conclude that this doesn’t matter to God. God wants our faithfulness, to have victory over the daily struggles of life, he wants his children to be part of the kingdom. This is why it is faith. We have to actually trust God, and as I am sure you very well know, that is probably the hardest thing of all to do.